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iTunes is the single worst piece of software I'm still forced to use. I would pay $100 for a better piece of software but Apple has their walled "garden". And t

iTunes is the single worst piece of software I'm still forced to use. I would pay $100 for a better piece of software but Apple has their walled "garden". And they have billions but can't hire PMs and engineers that can build a better piece of software. So fuck them. Anyone foolish enough to build a music listening system on top of them unfortunately deserves whatever they get. I don't have much sympathy.

mcintyre1994 10y ago
Why are you forced to use it? The only time I see it is when it comes up on my macbook when I plug my phone in, then I just close it - and I could probably stop it showing up then too.
- enzanki_ars 10y ago
  You can only transfer music via USB onto an iPhone via iTunes.
  - Arizhel 10y ago
    That's a good reason not to own an iPhone. Android may have its (many) faults, but at least I can transfer music onto it from my Linux command line with "adb push". Or I can take out the SDcard and just pop it into my computer and transfer it like I copy any other files.
- hfsktr 10y ago
  Is there another way to get music onto an i(device)?
- j_s 10y ago
  I believe it is the only tool sanctioned to create local backups of iOS devices. There is a real market opportunity for someone to do just this cleanly on Windows; Apple works hard to make things more secure (aka changes the software & hardware interface for backups) all the time though. Top priority: getting media (pics+videos) off the device. Any suggestions would be appreciated!
rimliu 10y ago
What has walled garden to do with music apps? Edit: seriously. Apple has not forbid to write music players/organizers, neither did they close access to the iTunes library files, so you can import easily if you want to do so.
- k-mcgrady 10y ago
  iTunes is the only software that can properly sync with iDevice's - pretty sure that's what the parent is referring to.
zkms 10y ago
> iTunes is the single worst piece of software I'm still forced to use. Yes. This very issue (the complexity and difficulty of properly using iTunes) has been commented on by a noted and famous Twitter user, btw: https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=from%3Adril%20itunes&src=typd&lang=en https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=from%...
dreamcompiler 10y ago
iTunes was a big part of the reason I switched to Android. Music players on Android suck, and music syncing on Android sucks. But they suck in predictable ways that you can work around. iTunes syncing is the mother of all heisenbugs.
- dkbrk 10y ago
  > music syncing on Android sucks I use rsync to sync to my phone. The nice thing about Android is that if you're sufficiently determined you can get any of the standard linux ecosystem tools to work.
  - dreamcompiler 10y ago
    Without rooting it?
    - flyinghamster 10y ago
      Rsync works just fine on Android. Unfortunately, the version I use seems to have been hidden from Google Play. It still shows up in my apps, even when I activate a new phone, but searching for it on Google Play goes nowhere. In any case, it works fine for me whether the phone is rooted or not. http://android.kowalczuk.eu/rsync4android/ http://android.kowalczuk.eu/rsync4android/
- Arizhel 10y ago
  Music players on Android suck? All of them? I'm just using the standard one that came with my S5 (running Android 6.0.1 I think), because I'm lazy and it works OK I guess and I haven't bothered to look for something better, but with the enormous number of apps in the Play Store, I assumed that when I got around to it, there'd surely be a nicer music player out there. Music syncing isn't bad on Android, if you keep your music on an SDcard. Just pop out the card, stick it in your computer, and use rsync.
  - dreamcompiler 10y ago

mcintyre1994 10y ago

Why are you forced to use it? The only time I see it is when it comes up on my macbook when I plug my phone in, then I just close it - and I could probably stop it showing up then too.

enzanki_ars 10y ago
You can only transfer music via USB onto an iPhone via iTunes.
- Arizhel 10y ago
  That's a good reason not to own an iPhone. Android may have its (many) faults, but at least I can transfer music onto it from my Linux command line with "adb push". Or I can take out the SDcard and just pop it into my computer and transfer it like I copy any other files.
hfsktr 10y ago
Is there another way to get music onto an i(device)?
j_s 10y ago
I believe it is the only tool sanctioned to create local backups of iOS devices. There is a real market opportunity for someone to do just this cleanly on Windows; Apple works hard to make things more secure (aka changes the software & hardware interface for backups) all the time though. Top priority: getting media (pics+videos) off the device. Any suggestions would be appreciated!

rimliu 10y ago

What has walled garden to do with music apps? Edit: seriously. Apple has not forbid to write music players/organizers, neither did they close access to the iTunes library files, so you can import easily if you want to do so.

k-mcgrady 10y ago
iTunes is the only software that can properly sync with iDevice's - pretty sure that's what the parent is referring to.

zkms 10y ago

> iTunes is the single worst piece of software I'm still forced to use. Yes. This very issue (the complexity and difficulty of properly using iTunes) has been commented on by a noted and famous Twitter user, btw: https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=from%3Adril%20itunes&src=typd&lang=en https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=from%...

dreamcompiler 10y ago

iTunes was a big part of the reason I switched to Android. Music players on Android suck, and music syncing on Android sucks. But they suck in predictable ways that you can work around. iTunes syncing is the mother of all heisenbugs.

dkbrk 10y ago
> music syncing on Android sucks I use rsync to sync to my phone. The nice thing about Android is that if you're sufficiently determined you can get any of the standard linux ecosystem tools to work.
- dreamcompiler 10y ago
  Without rooting it?
  - flyinghamster 10y ago
    Rsync works just fine on Android. Unfortunately, the version I use seems to have been hidden from Google Play. It still shows up in my apps, even when I activate a new phone, but searching for it on Google Play goes nowhere. In any case, it works fine for me whether the phone is rooted or not. http://android.kowalczuk.eu/rsync4android/ http://android.kowalczuk.eu/rsync4android/
Arizhel 10y ago
Music players on Android suck? All of them? I'm just using the standard one that came with my S5 (running Android 6.0.1 I think), because I'm lazy and it works OK I guess and I haven't bothered to look for something better, but with the enormous number of apps in the Play Store, I assumed that when I got around to it, there'd surely be a nicer music player out there. Music syncing isn't bad on Android, if you keep your music on an SDcard. Just pop out the card, stick it in your computer, and use rsync.
- dreamcompiler 10y ago