I've been long enough here on HN to remember how people used to laugh at Java in the comments, bemoaning the time it took to set everything up before you can st

I've been long enough here on HN to remember how people used to laugh at Java in the comments, bemoaning the time it took to set everything up before you can start working with it (although it wasn't really that much trouble then, and it certainly isn't now) compared to how easy it was to start working with Javascript ("Hey, all you need is a browser and an editor"). How the tables have turned.