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My experience is quite bad with such companies. There are some huge ones, who are mostly remote, and the first question is "how much do you want to get". I answ

My experience is quite bad with such companies. There are some huge ones, who are mostly remote, and the first question is "how much do you want to get". I answer, then there is no negotiation, and I usually want just too much (which usually is what I was making at that time). They don't also want to talk with me about any different figures, there is no counter offer, nothing. This is really sad, seems like they don't care because they have an endless pool of talents to hire. But then it seems like that's not true, as the companies are posting the same job ad for the next months (or even years), and cannot find anyone for that position. And people from those companies cry that they cannot find programmers. And forums keep filling with comments about their stupid recruitment process. It seems to me that the companies which want to talk, and negotiate the salaries are winning, and can find people. For the question about my current salary, I answer that my contract doesn't allow me to tell that. If they insist, I ask them if, after getting me hired, they would like me to tell my future employers how much they pay me. That usually ends these questions. However I don't have any good reason not to answer about my salary expectations, but it seems like I usually want too much :)

LoSboccacc 10y ago
they probably need to post those position so that they appear legit at an audit, for whatever reason (anti discrimination quotas, visa regulations, need to make hiring a cousin's wife legit in front of hr etc)
falsedan 10y ago
That sounds like a recruiter going off the script. If they're being that direct, turn it around: my salary expectations depend on how I'd fit in at your company, and how much value I'd add. I hope we can talk about that further along in the interview process, but for the sake of not exceeding your hiring budget, please let me know what the salary range is for this position and I will let you know what we'll need to negotiate on to get to an offer which will work for me. The intent here is to negotiate in good faith: if they come back with upper salary that is 75% of your expected, go back with: thanks for sharing that information, in order for me to be comfortable with that compensation I'll have to (ask for extra leave/holiday, part-time hours, work from home, X conference trips per year, stock compensation, 3/6/12 month review with performance targets agreed up front which will bump your salary up).

LoSboccacc 10y ago

they probably need to post those position so that they appear legit at an audit, for whatever reason (anti discrimination quotas, visa regulations, need to make hiring a cousin's wife legit in front of hr etc)

falsedan 10y ago

That sounds like a recruiter going off the script. If they're being that direct, turn it around: my salary expectations depend on how I'd fit in at your company, and how much value I'd add. I hope we can talk about that further along in the interview process, but for the sake of not exceeding your hiring budget, please let me know what the salary range is for this position and I will let you know what we'll need to negotiate on to get to an offer which will work for me. The intent here is to negotiate in good faith: if they come back with upper salary that is 75% of your expected, go back with: thanks for sharing that information, in order for me to be comfortable with that compensation I'll have to (ask for extra leave/holiday, part-time hours, work from home, X conference trips per year, stock compensation, 3/6/12 month review with performance targets agreed up front which will bump your salary up).