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Please stop with this tangent. grandparent is asking a question almost every average person is asking: what is the impact on me? and you basically started an en

Please stop with this tangent. grandparent is asking a question almost every average person is asking: what is the impact on me? and you basically started an entirely new unrelated subthread.

soundwave106 10y ago
It's not a terrible diversion, but it is very US-centric. Currently the fossil fuels industries and other "old school" extraction industries tend to align with the Republican party in the United States. The issue is less "Republican party" and more those certain industries that stubbornly resist the notion a concept that could damage their businesses. I get the impression, for instance, that the much-maligned Koch family privately is aware of climate change. However, being in an industry that would be impacted by any regulatory push, they put up all psychological blinders to not only deny it -- but actively pursue an agenda against it. And they are not the only extraction industry leaders that do this. That Upton Sinclair quote comes to mind: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it". I do not know if there is a similar situation in other countries; it's going to take more than just United States industry direction to slow down climate change, after all.
astrodust 10y ago
I'm sorry, did another political party just designate the former head of an oil company as Secretary of State, or did they take someone actively suing the EPA the head of the EPA? Is there any other party on the planet receiving massive amounts of money from coal companies? This is not unrelated. This is directly related. If the US was some little country in the Pacific where they could do whatever they wanted with little consequence it wouldn't matter, but they're not. They're one of the largest polluters in the world and the largest economy, so it's absolutely important that they steer in the right direction to avoid disaster.
- AznHisoka 10y ago
  the grandfather is drowning and is asking "will i survive?" and you are basically in high ground yelling "blame the politicians!".

Please stop with this tangent. grandparent is asking a question almost every average person is asking: what is the impact on me? and you basically started an entirely new unrelated subthread.

soundwave106 10y ago

It's not a terrible diversion, but it is very US-centric. Currently the fossil fuels industries and other "old school" extraction industries tend to align with the Republican party in the United States. The issue is less "Republican party" and more those certain industries that stubbornly resist the notion a concept that could damage their businesses. I get the impression, for instance, that the much-maligned Koch family privately is aware of climate change. However, being in an industry that would be impacted by any regulatory push, they put up all psychological blinders to not only deny it -- but actively pursue an agenda against it. And they are not the only extraction industry leaders that do this. That Upton Sinclair quote comes to mind: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it". I do not know if there is a similar situation in other countries; it's going to take more than just United States industry direction to slow down climate change, after all.

astrodust 10y ago

I'm sorry, did another political party just designate the former head of an oil company as Secretary of State, or did they take someone actively suing the EPA the head of the EPA? Is there any other party on the planet receiving massive amounts of money from coal companies? This is not unrelated. This is directly related. If the US was some little country in the Pacific where they could do whatever they wanted with little consequence it wouldn't matter, but they're not. They're one of the largest polluters in the world and the largest economy, so it's absolutely important that they steer in the right direction to avoid disaster.

AznHisoka 10y ago
the grandfather is drowning and is asking "will i survive?" and you are basically in high ground yelling "blame the politicians!".