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First problem: philosophers are not divided into two camps, so Rothman is misinformed. Aristotelianism is another. But let's return to these "two camps" for a m
by danielam 10y ago
First problem: philosophers are not divided into two camps, so Rothman is misinformed. Aristotelianism is another. But let's return to these "two camps" for a moment. Typically, these two purported camps are some variation of dualism and elimnativism. Both ultimately rest on the Cartesian metaphysical legacy.
Dualism comes in a variety of forms. Examples include property dualism (Searle, though he denies it) and panpsychism (Chalmers, it seems). Regardless of the version expounded, all such dualisms divorce the mental from the physical, hence the dead horses that are the so-called mind-body problem or the problem of qualia. On this view of matter, we can't account for things like color because, by definition, matter does not have color in the way that we commonly understand it as having color. Physical theories, instead of explaining color, redefine color in other terms. The only place left to locate color, as it is commonly understood, is the mind that's been so brutally split off from matter. Fun fact: Cartesian dualism is not a "religious residue". It is a philosophical position. In its lingering incarnation, we can credit Descartes through whose work it bears an interesting relation to the development of modern empirical science. Prior to Cartesianism, Aristotelian views were dominant. Indeed, while the Roman Catholic Church does not have an "official" metaphysical doctrine (metaphysics is philosophical, not theological or doctrinal), the preferred metaphysical theoretical apparatus has been Aristotelian since Aquinas. No such dualism exists in Aristotle or Aquinas.
On the other hand, eliminativism manages to take an even whackier view of things than dualism. Whereas dualism has painted itself into a corner by refusing to reexamine its suppositions, eliminativism "resolves" the problem by shutting its eyes, that is, by denying the existence of those things it must explain. As a result, it is an incoherent position.
What's interesting is that Dennett does distinguish between "function" and "intention", though I'm not entirely sure how he reconciles (if he does at all) all of these with materialism. The reason I draw attention to this point is that teleology/final causality is frequently misunderstood owing to a confusion between conscious intent and function. When an Aristotelian talks about the "purpose" of an organ, he has in mind what the organ is ordered and organized toward, not what intelligent design theorists would describe as "design". (Interestingly, ID theories are also rooted in Cartesian ideas about matter and thus need to appeal to imposed, extrinsic divine intent to locate and explain the function of things like organs. Their scientistic (not scientific) opponents take the eliminativist approach and deny that organs have functions at all because they hold to the same concept of matter as ID theories while rejecting that divine intent exists. On the other hand, Aristotelianism maintains the intrinsic finality of things like organs and thus does not need to appeal to some externally imposed divine intent to explain function as such.)
- naasking 10y ago> On the other hand, eliminativism manages to take an even whackier view of things than dualism. Whereas dualism has painted itself into a corner by refusing to reexamine its suppositions, eliminativism "resolves" the problem by shutting its eyes, that is, by denying the existence of those things it must explain. As a result, it is an incoherent position. Not even remotely. I'm not even sure how you could possibly form such a conclusion, except by some deep misunderstanding of all of the various materialist arguments that discuss qualia. Dennett is himself a materialist by the way. Materialism can classify qualia as an illusion while still recognizing that some reduction of qualia to physical laws is needed. This reduction would be left to the domain of science though, because that's where it would belong.
- psyc 10y agoI've read a few Dennett books and watched many of his talks, and imo the main problem with him is his and his fans' motte & bailey style of arguing. He spends inordinate amounts of time heavily suggesting that consciousness is an ephemeral nothing that we're not just ignorant about, but mistaken about. But when pressed enough, then he retreats to a just barely reasonable stance that's closer to Chalmers than the stances he spends most of his time communicating. So I can't quite disagree with him, because after 20 years I still don't exactly know what he thinks.
- naasking 10y ago> He spends inordinate amounts of time heavily suggesting that consciousness is an ephemeral nothing that we're not just ignorant about, but mistaken about. That's right, it's an illusion, in the sense that we perceive ourselves to have some irreducible subjectivity, but we actually don't. > But when pressed enough, then he retreats to a just barely reasonable stance that's closer to Chalmers than the stances he spends most of his time communicating. I'd like to see a citation for that, because as far as I've seen, Dennett hasn't changed his stance on this subject in over 20 years, and he's been very straightforward about his position in every interview I've watched or read. And what he thinks is quite clear: he's a straight up materialist. Qualia don't actually exist as some irreducible phenomenon and consciousness is an illusion. He's published multiple books on the subject arguing for this position quite forcefully.