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I think the better term analysis from my PoV: * Republican prefers smaller government and prefers more conservative approach by eliminating regulations * Demo

by yeukhon 10y ago

I think the better term analysis from my PoV: * Republican prefers smaller government and prefers more conservative approach by eliminating regulations * Democrats actually had all the major corporations' support during the 2016 election, but they try to appeal both sides, with more liberal agenda and mixing the corporation interest. Don't forget each party is divided into: * extreme conservative * liberal * conservative of their own party's ideology.

maxerickson 10y ago
They should get rid of the regulations that prevent customers of these ISPs from banding together and suing them. Hah!
blitmap 10y ago
What's weird to me is Republicans say regulation is bad - and don't get hurt by a _lack_ of regulation. How can people in that party be so gung-ho to make themselves vulnerable? They're not all part of the 1%. Surely they know someone who suffers by undoing regulation. These people can't all live in the same bubble.
- naasking 10y ago
  > What's weird to me is Republicans say regulation is bad What's really weird is that Republicans love markets and hate regulation, but don't seem to realize that every market is created by regulation. There's a complete lack of nuance among vocal Republicans.
  - ryanwaggoner 10y ago
    Markets are definitely not created by regulation. Markets exist even in the absence of a functional government at all.
    - akiselev 10y ago
      Any definition of "market" relevant to this discussion necessitates property rights, which require a functional government and a bare minimum level of regulations. We're talking about the Republican party, not prehistoric tribes, so a nebulous theoretical definition of "markets" that is easily satisfied by two people trading seashells is entirely unhelpful.
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    - specialist 10y ago
      Open markets require standards, property rights, fair and impartial judicial system, currency, etc. Without government, there can be no open markets. Perhaps you're thinking of black markets.
Delmania 10y ago
> Republican prefers smaller government and prefers more conservative approach by eliminating regulations No, they don't. They prefer consolidated power.
specialist 10y ago
Don't over think this. Electeds care about being reelected. Voters vote based on identity. "Democracy for Realists: Why Elections Do Not Produce Responsive Government" http://amzn.to/2nsPnsP http://amzn.to/2nsPnsP If you want change, then you have to organize.
bluejekyll 10y ago
> Republican prefers smaller government and prefers more conservative approach by eliminating regulations This is a claim, but rarely actually seen. More money is thrown at "defense", while less is put into supporting the American people. What if we instead of building new fighter jets, we spent that money on fixing out infrastructure, getting faster internet to everyone's homes, better education for our children? The military industrial complex in the US is structured such that every state and by extension Senator and Congressperson, wants to vote for things like new tanks and planes, because it creates/preserves jobs in their districts. But this has little long term benefit to their districts. Wouldn't it be better to invest that money into the future of their districts to improve the lives of the people there? It's disingenuous to say the least the R's prefer smaller government. What they prefer is less regulation and redirection of tax money into corporations.
- mtanski 10y ago
  > This is a claim, but rarely actually seen. More money is thrown at "defense", while less is put into supporting the American people. It's not even thrown well at defense. The army wanted to close certain bases and centralize others here in the U.S. It's not like the the army is entirely clueless about importance of operations. They figured they would be able to have the same capabilities, but lower staff and operation count. But you know what congressman/senator is going to allow job / industry to ship away from their district? You get the same story in weapons and tech. They want to have fewer but more focused efforts when it comes to next-gen development. Same thing, but this time it's corp jobs in the district vs local army jobs.

by yeukhon 10y ago

maxerickson 10y ago

They should get rid of the regulations that prevent customers of these ISPs from banding together and suing them. Hah!

blitmap 10y ago

What's weird to me is Republicans say regulation is bad - and don't get hurt by a _lack_ of regulation. How can people in that party be so gung-ho to make themselves vulnerable? They're not all part of the 1%. Surely they know someone who suffers by undoing regulation. These people can't all live in the same bubble.

naasking 10y ago
> What's weird to me is Republicans say regulation is bad What's really weird is that Republicans love markets and hate regulation, but don't seem to realize that every market is created by regulation. There's a complete lack of nuance among vocal Republicans.
- ryanwaggoner 10y ago
  Markets are definitely not created by regulation. Markets exist even in the absence of a functional government at all.
  - akiselev 10y ago
    Any definition of "market" relevant to this discussion necessitates property rights, which require a functional government and a bare minimum level of regulations. We're talking about the Republican party, not prehistoric tribes, so a nebulous theoretical definition of "markets" that is easily satisfied by two people trading seashells is entirely unhelpful.
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  - specialist 10y ago
    Open markets require standards, property rights, fair and impartial judicial system, currency, etc. Without government, there can be no open markets. Perhaps you're thinking of black markets.

Delmania 10y ago

> Republican prefers smaller government and prefers more conservative approach by eliminating regulations No, they don't. They prefer consolidated power.

specialist 10y ago

Don't over think this. Electeds care about being reelected. Voters vote based on identity. "Democracy for Realists: Why Elections Do Not Produce Responsive Government" http://amzn.to/2nsPnsP http://amzn.to/2nsPnsP If you want change, then you have to organize.

bluejekyll 10y ago

> Republican prefers smaller government and prefers more conservative approach by eliminating regulations This is a claim, but rarely actually seen. More money is thrown at "defense", while less is put into supporting the American people. What if we instead of building new fighter jets, we spent that money on fixing out infrastructure, getting faster internet to everyone's homes, better education for our children? The military industrial complex in the US is structured such that every state and by extension Senator and Congressperson, wants to vote for things like new tanks and planes, because it creates/preserves jobs in their districts. But this has little long term benefit to their districts. Wouldn't it be better to invest that money into the future of their districts to improve the lives of the people there? It's disingenuous to say the least the R's prefer smaller government. What they prefer is less regulation and redirection of tax money into corporations.

mtanski 10y ago
> This is a claim, but rarely actually seen. More money is thrown at "defense", while less is put into supporting the American people. It's not even thrown well at defense. The army wanted to close certain bases and centralize others here in the U.S. It's not like the the army is entirely clueless about importance of operations. They figured they would be able to have the same capabilities, but lower staff and operation count. But you know what congressman/senator is going to allow job / industry to ship away from their district? You get the same story in weapons and tech. They want to have fewer but more focused efforts when it comes to next-gen development. Same thing, but this time it's corp jobs in the district vs local army jobs.