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That's a load of crap, there's nothing portable about a JS environment that requires build xyz of browser pqr, plus the hardware requirements, bandwidth require

by Cacti 10y ago

That's a load of crap, there's nothing portable about a JS environment that requires build xyz of browser pqr, plus the hardware requirements, bandwidth requirements, etc. Take any ONE of those away and you're hosed (e.g., try loading even a single web page from Amazon on 56k). Every technology of the past 40 years has claimed "portability" as its mantra, and yet here we are still.

dasil003 10y ago
Sure, but the web is a unique portability story in the history of computing. Has any other platform been an open standard that ends up being table stakes for any new entrant? Think about it, if you try to make a computer without a web browser today, you'd be laughed out of the market.
- ktRolster 10y ago
  Has any other platform been an open standard that ends up being table stakes for any new entrant? C, Java. Far more computers run C than run Javascript.
  - esrauch 10y ago
    Number of machines that can run code written in the language isn't really the best metric for realistic portability. Sure, your toaster might run C and not JS, but it isn't going on run your C anyway.
    - TeMPOraL 10y ago
      My browser isn't running my JavaScript, it's running yours. In fact, the capability to run my own code in my own browser is being slowly but systematically removed from the browser.
      - esrauch 10y ago
        When I said "you" I meant "the developer" not "the user": the class of devices that run C and not JS is also a class of devices that generally don't run third party code. If you aren't a hardware manufacturer (or trying to sell middleware to one) the fact the embedded systems run binaries that were programmed in C isn't in any way relevant.
        c22 10y ago
        If only that toaster had a web browser.
  - moron4hire 10y ago
    Yeah, good luck getting that Qt app running on an iPhone.
    - tedunangst 10y ago
      http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/ios-support.html http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/ios-support.html
      - divanvisagie 10y ago
        Wow , that was beautiful
    - ktRolster 10y ago
      QT is not C

by Cacti 10y ago

dasil003 10y ago

Sure, but the web is a unique portability story in the history of computing. Has any other platform been an open standard that ends up being table stakes for any new entrant? Think about it, if you try to make a computer without a web browser today, you'd be laughed out of the market.

ktRolster 10y ago
Has any other platform been an open standard that ends up being table stakes for any new entrant? C, Java. Far more computers run C than run Javascript.
- esrauch 10y ago
  Number of machines that can run code written in the language isn't really the best metric for realistic portability. Sure, your toaster might run C and not JS, but it isn't going on run your C anyway.
  - TeMPOraL 10y ago
    My browser isn't running my JavaScript, it's running yours. In fact, the capability to run my own code in my own browser is being slowly but systematically removed from the browser.
    - esrauch 10y ago
      When I said "you" I meant "the developer" not "the user": the class of devices that run C and not JS is also a class of devices that generally don't run third party code. If you aren't a hardware manufacturer (or trying to sell middleware to one) the fact the embedded systems run binaries that were programmed in C isn't in any way relevant.
      - c22 10y ago
        If only that toaster had a web browser.
- moron4hire 10y ago
  Yeah, good luck getting that Qt app running on an iPhone.
  - tedunangst 10y ago
    http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/ios-support.html http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/ios-support.html
    - divanvisagie 10y ago
      Wow , that was beautiful
  - ktRolster 10y ago
    QT is not C