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My wife teaches in a coed university in the region. Her female students are without fail more industrious than their male counterparts (who are generally guaran
by kchoudhu 10y ago
My wife teaches in a coed university in the region. Her female students are without fail more industrious than their male counterparts (who are generally guaranteed government sinecures). The women, many of who have children at home, are motivated to educate themselves, work hard once they have jobs, and ultimately realize that anything that they want, they have to do for themselves.
These countries are not risking only losing their women; if they do not mend their ways, they will lose the most productive half of their populations.
- creaghpatr 10y ago>Her female students are without fail more industrious than their male counterparts Do you think that is the cause or the effect of SA's policies regarding women?
- gragas 10y agoI would guess that's the effect. It's not as if women outperformed men to such an extent that all the men in Saudi Arabia conspired to oppress women; I'm quite certain that Wahhabist culture---"justified" by the Quran---is the root cause of the oppression of women in Saudi Arabia. That oppression forces women to have to work infinitely harder than men to achieve anything.
- differentView 10y ago> male counterparts (who are generally guaranteed government sinecures) > These countries risk not only of losing their women; if they do not mend their ways, they will lose the most productive half of their populations. Sounds like they're also losing the potentials of many of their male population with such guaranteed government sinecures.
- kchoudhu 10y agoYeah, there is definitely a motivation gap between the genders brought on by relative government subsidies.
- Boothroid 10y agoOne might speculate that the special extra support afforded to women versus men in technical careers these days might lead to a similar slackening off in effort over time..
- Chris2048 10y agoI think this is an important idea in the understanding of motivation. That, and the perception of value in such industries. Telling people off all the time isn't a good way to regulate the market..
- kchoudhu 10y agoThere's a difference between "let's give women a leg up in an area they are underrepresented" and "let's stop treating women as chattel".
- true_religion 10y ago> they will lose the most productive half of their populations. You cannot simply call one gender the most productive half of the population as if the attribute is inherent to their gender. It is not right.
- namlem 10y agoParent never implied that it was inherent. That was all you.
- pottersbasilisk 10y agoActually the parent did, I think the reply is a legitimate criticism as the op also simply gave one anecdote then proceeded to strawman an entire populations gender.
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- true_religion 10y agoI didn't mean to imply that they directly said that. It's simply that they took an anecdote and came to a really general conclusion about how good one gender was. They were talking 'as if it were inherent', as if when things were liberalised women would still be more productive than men in that particular class. Is it true? Probably not since any greater achievement is due to that women currently must work harder simply to be seen as equal. If the social situation is normalised, women won't simply work harder than men because they are "the productive half of the population".
- beaconstudios 10y agono they really didn't. The GP explained why Saudi women are more productive, and that it was a product of political circumstance. If the majority of men in a country are effectively on state-sponsored welfare then describing women as the "productive half of the population" isn't gender biased. It's describing the situation.
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