3 ms·

The amount of bad hacking that has to happen for NodeJS to work as a platform has said all I could ever want to possibly know about the quality of NodeJS develo

by tomc1985 10y ago

The amount of bad hacking that has to happen for NodeJS to work as a platform has said all I could ever want to possibly know about the quality of NodeJS developers: so pathetically in love with their trainwreck of a language that they would rather pile kludge upon hack upon kludge than to learn the language and environment most appropriate and most computationally efficient for the tasks at hand. Javascript devs would rather just throw JS at it

oblio 10y ago
This arrogance is amusing. The only thing the web and Javascript world proved is that we are bad. In the past it was much harder to distribute crap since you needed to, you know, find and install everything. Since websites are so frictionless, now we get to experience everything. And guess what, 90% of everything is shit. The current "JS devs" are the former "PHP/Java devs" and the former "VB/Delphi devs" and the former "C/Cobol devs". They're us.
- tomc1985 10y ago
  My problem isn't with the bad JS (or, in the past, PHP/JAVA and so on) devs themselves, it's that they insist on building an ecosystem out of a really bad platform. Why? Because JS and this "leverage existing skillsets" bullshit. How about leveraging your brain to learn a more appropriate language?
  - oblio 10y ago
    Do you know of a "more appropriate" language for creating cross platform apps that work on Windows, Linux, MacOS, BSDs, iOS, Android, 4k screens and 480p screens? I don't know any.
    - tomc1985 10y ago
      C? C++? QT? Java? Any language with GTK hooks? Xamarin? Juce framework? Delphi?? You say 4K and 480p screens like that's hard. Design once, scale forever?
      - oblio 10y ago
        C is unsafe and is too low level. C++ is possibly the only language with more bad parts than Javascript :) Java ok, but how would you run it on iOS? The last viable option for that (RoboVM) was taken behind the shed and shot by Xamarin/Microsoft. GTK doesn't run on mobile and it's barely supported on Windows and MacOS. Xamarin is ok, but it used to be closed source and cost $1000 per year for any serious project. I don't know Juce, but from what I can see it's a C++ framework, so see C++ :) Delphi? Zombies don't count ;) The most viable contenders for modern cross platform software were marred by bad corporate ownership: Java, C#. They've kind of gotten back on track recently but I'm not sure they can catch up to the web-train.
        deleted 10y ago
        [deleted]

oblio 10y ago

This arrogance is amusing. The only thing the web and Javascript world proved is that we are bad. In the past it was much harder to distribute crap since you needed to, you know, find and install everything. Since websites are so frictionless, now we get to experience everything. And guess what, 90% of everything is shit. The current "JS devs" are the former "PHP/Java devs" and the former "VB/Delphi devs" and the former "C/Cobol devs". They're us.

tomc1985 10y ago
My problem isn't with the bad JS (or, in the past, PHP/JAVA and so on) devs themselves, it's that they insist on building an ecosystem out of a really bad platform. Why? Because JS and this "leverage existing skillsets" bullshit. How about leveraging your brain to learn a more appropriate language?
- oblio 10y ago
  Do you know of a "more appropriate" language for creating cross platform apps that work on Windows, Linux, MacOS, BSDs, iOS, Android, 4k screens and 480p screens? I don't know any.
  - tomc1985 10y ago
    C? C++? QT? Java? Any language with GTK hooks? Xamarin? Juce framework? Delphi?? You say 4K and 480p screens like that's hard. Design once, scale forever?
    - oblio 10y ago
      C is unsafe and is too low level. C++ is possibly the only language with more bad parts than Javascript :) Java ok, but how would you run it on iOS? The last viable option for that (RoboVM) was taken behind the shed and shot by Xamarin/Microsoft. GTK doesn't run on mobile and it's barely supported on Windows and MacOS. Xamarin is ok, but it used to be closed source and cost $1000 per year for any serious project. I don't know Juce, but from what I can see it's a C++ framework, so see C++ :) Delphi? Zombies don't count ;) The most viable contenders for modern cross platform software were marred by bad corporate ownership: Java, C#. They've kind of gotten back on track recently but I'm not sure they can catch up to the web-train.
      - deleted 10y ago
        [deleted]