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To be fair, I think a modern day professional carpenter would much rather work with modern power tools than what carpenters had to use at the dawn of the Indust

by vacri 10y ago

To be fair, I think a modern day professional carpenter would much rather work with modern power tools than what carpenters had to use at the dawn of the Industrial Revolution. Modern-day miners much prefer using their heavy machinery than swinging a pickaxe and pushing a trolley. I can't see many modern-day blue-collar workers volunteering to go back to the old ways in order to increase employment counts.

gremlinsinc 10y ago
Pretty sure the carpenter will complain when anything made w/ wood can just be put through a 3d 'wood' printer and come out flawless, or a device that basically can take a block of wood, or 4x4s and construct just about anything without any human intervention. Won't be long before mining operations are all manned by drones and not a single human. This isn't sci-fi, it's near-future tech.
- flukus 10y ago
  Mining is already there, bringing a mine online is human intensive, but when that's done most of the mining is automated.
  - candiodari 10y ago
    But when AIs start to program we as programmers have a simple solution : we simply bring them into a meeting with marketing and product management and let the result natural suicidal impulse take care of those suckers.
icantdrive55 10y ago
You haven't done modern carpentry at a modern job site. It's basically all metal studs, a loud chop saw, and a Forman that doesn't care a bit about the craft. It's about time and money. Most working carpenters would happily go back to hand tools, and a sence of pride, or workmanship at the end of a job. It's long-long gone. "How do you know this dude?" Been a union electrician in local 6 in San Francisco. Biggest job was working start to finish at Pac Bell Park. Even the fledgling Finish Carpenters Union is just put it up. The locker rooms were all cherry/mahogany veneer. They came from a factory, and were put together like Lego. Finish quality of IKEA. And yes--the older carpenters talked about the good ole days--that are completely dead. The art of construction is long gone. I don't know of one worker whom relished using power tools. Once power tools were brought in, the suits just expected more productivity. I can't think of one trade that is considered an art these days. If you have a relatively strong back; anyone can do the job. It's mindless work. The only thing good about working in the trades is certain cities, like San Francisco have good unions, but they are being threatened. Modern day miners. I don't gave a clue. Listening to that Bernie Sander's/Ted Cruz publicity stunt in Tennessee the other night, I learned that even if Donald brought back business to the coal mines; automation is what took all those mining jobs. The coal miners want to go back to work, but the machines gave taken their jobs. A local union president said their will be a minimal increase in employment even if they open all the mines. He seemed completely discouraged. People want to work. There just isn't enough jobs. And yes--tech jobs will be affected. Willie Brown is publically talking about the problem San Fransicso will have when this bubble ends. 'What are we going to do with all these unemployed tech workers?' He honestly seems concerned.

by vacri 10y ago

gremlinsinc 10y ago

Pretty sure the carpenter will complain when anything made w/ wood can just be put through a 3d 'wood' printer and come out flawless, or a device that basically can take a block of wood, or 4x4s and construct just about anything without any human intervention. Won't be long before mining operations are all manned by drones and not a single human. This isn't sci-fi, it's near-future tech.

flukus 10y ago
Mining is already there, bringing a mine online is human intensive, but when that's done most of the mining is automated.
- candiodari 10y ago
  But when AIs start to program we as programmers have a simple solution : we simply bring them into a meeting with marketing and product management and let the result natural suicidal impulse take care of those suckers.

icantdrive55 10y ago

You haven't done modern carpentry at a modern job site. It's basically all metal studs, a loud chop saw, and a Forman that doesn't care a bit about the craft. It's about time and money. Most working carpenters would happily go back to hand tools, and a sence of pride, or workmanship at the end of a job. It's long-long gone. "How do you know this dude?" Been a union electrician in local 6 in San Francisco. Biggest job was working start to finish at Pac Bell Park. Even the fledgling Finish Carpenters Union is just put it up. The locker rooms were all cherry/mahogany veneer. They came from a factory, and were put together like Lego. Finish quality of IKEA. And yes--the older carpenters talked about the good ole days--that are completely dead. The art of construction is long gone. I don't know of one worker whom relished using power tools. Once power tools were brought in, the suits just expected more productivity. I can't think of one trade that is considered an art these days. If you have a relatively strong back; anyone can do the job. It's mindless work. The only thing good about working in the trades is certain cities, like San Francisco have good unions, but they are being threatened. Modern day miners. I don't gave a clue. Listening to that Bernie Sander's/Ted Cruz publicity stunt in Tennessee the other night, I learned that even if Donald brought back business to the coal mines; automation is what took all those mining jobs. The coal miners want to go back to work, but the machines gave taken their jobs. A local union president said their will be a minimal increase in employment even if they open all the mines. He seemed completely discouraged. People want to work. There just isn't enough jobs. And yes--tech jobs will be affected. Willie Brown is publically talking about the problem San Fransicso will have when this bubble ends. 'What are we going to do with all these unemployed tech workers?' He honestly seems concerned.