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Chris Sacca, the $4M Negative Balance, the Salinger Group and Twitter (2015)

33 points by ca98am79 10y ago

chollida1 10y ago
Not alot of detail in the article. This profile by Forbes is a bit better IMHO. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkonrad/2015/03/25/how-venture-cowboy-chris-sacca-made-billions/#42f76636597d https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkonrad/2015/03/25/how-ventu... He arguably had one of the most successful funds ever created. Just have a look to see how many of the names he's invested in you recognize. https://www.crunchbase.com/person/chris-sacca/investments https://www.crunchbase.com/person/chris-sacca/investments He is a hustler's hustler. In both the good and bad sense. He goes into this alot on this podcast http://tim.blog/2015/05/30/chris-sacca/ http://tim.blog/2015/05/30/chris-sacca/
- jordan_litko 10y ago
  What do you mean when you say that he's a hustler, both good and bad? Am I missing out on some drama?
  - jhspaybar 10y ago
    Is exploiting software bugs to achieve leverage larger than is normally allowed and getting into a $4 million hole not drama enough?
    - rubiquity 10y ago
      And letting your friends use your law firm group of 1 to fill resume gaps in their employment history.
      - tommymachine 10y ago
        But seriously, who here hasn't done that?
- icpmacdo 10y ago
  This is the best interview I have seen with him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6NpHbMFaQ8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6NpHbMFaQ8
greglindahl 10y ago
(2015)
- dang 10y ago
  Thanks! Added.
archon810 10y ago
This website is horrible on mobile.
throwaway833 10y ago
Sgamblingtarting with around $10-$20,000 in what were college loans, Sacca realized that brokers weren’t accounting for margin usage on a real-time basis. The result was that even though firms were only allowing 50% margin, as long as a customer closed a trade before the trade settled, T+3, and showed proper equity in the account, positions larger than 50% margin usage could be opened. So this guy bought stock on margin he shouldn't have been able to, because certain on-line trading systems at the time didn't check margin account balances in real-time. In effect, he borrowed assets with collateral he purported to have but in fact did not. This seems ethically questionable, at the very least, and possibly even fraudulent. But it's probably exactly the kind of "naughtiness" that YC prises in its founders: 4. Naughtiness Though the most successful founders are usually good people, they tend to have a piratical gleam in their eye. They're not Goody Two-Shoes type good. Morally, they care about getting the big questions right, but not about observing proprieties. That's why I'd use the word naughty rather than evil. They delight in breaking rules, but not rules that matter. This quality may be redundant though; it may be implied by imagination. Sam Altman of Loopt is one of the most successful alumni, so we asked him what question we could put on the Y Combinator application that would help us discover more people like him. He said to ask about a time when they'd hacked something to their advantage—hacked in the sense of beating the system, not breaking into computers. It has become one of the questions we pay most attention to when judging applications. http://paulgraham.com/founders.html http://paulgraham.com/founders.html
- elastic_church 10y ago
  Protip: nobody calculates margin in real time accurately, especially when mixing option spreads across indices, stocks and futures in the same account. Futures use SPAN margining and funds have to be moved behind the scenes but many brokers still report REG-T margin or the slightly more advanced Portfolio Margining which is capable of weighting the entire portfolio. Ethically questionable? Who gives a fuck, did he make money or nah? The Fed, SROs, and individual brokerage firms set the margin limits. And when you are rich enough you can have your own lack-of-compliance officer and what-risk? manager

33 points by ca98am79 10y ago

Not alot of detail in the article. This profile by Forbes is a bit better IMHO. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkonrad/2015/03/25/how-venture-cowboy-chris-sacca-made-billions/#42f76636597d https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkonrad/2015/03/25/how-ventu... He arguably had one of the most successful funds ever created. Just have a look to see how many of the names he's invested in you recognize. https://www.crunchbase.com/person/chris-sacca/investments https://www.crunchbase.com/person/chris-sacca/investments He is a hustler's hustler. In both the good and bad sense. He goes into this alot on this podcast http://tim.blog/2015/05/30/chris-sacca/ http://tim.blog/2015/05/30/chris-sacca/

jordan_litko 10y ago
What do you mean when you say that he's a hustler, both good and bad? Am I missing out on some drama?
- jhspaybar 10y ago
  Is exploiting software bugs to achieve leverage larger than is normally allowed and getting into a $4 million hole not drama enough?
  - rubiquity 10y ago
    And letting your friends use your law firm group of 1 to fill resume gaps in their employment history.
    - tommymachine 10y ago
      But seriously, who here hasn't done that?
icpmacdo 10y ago
This is the best interview I have seen with him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6NpHbMFaQ8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6NpHbMFaQ8

greglindahl 10y ago

(2015)

dang 10y ago
Thanks! Added.

archon810 10y ago

This website is horrible on mobile.

throwaway833 10y ago

Sgamblingtarting with around $10-$20,000 in what were college loans, Sacca realized that brokers weren’t accounting for margin usage on a real-time basis. The result was that even though firms were only allowing 50% margin, as long as a customer closed a trade before the trade settled, T+3, and showed proper equity in the account, positions larger than 50% margin usage could be opened. So this guy bought stock on margin he shouldn't have been able to, because certain on-line trading systems at the time didn't check margin account balances in real-time. In effect, he borrowed assets with collateral he purported to have but in fact did not. This seems ethically questionable, at the very least, and possibly even fraudulent. But it's probably exactly the kind of "naughtiness" that YC prises in its founders: 4. Naughtiness Though the most successful founders are usually good people, they tend to have a piratical gleam in their eye. They're not Goody Two-Shoes type good. Morally, they care about getting the big questions right, but not about observing proprieties. That's why I'd use the word naughty rather than evil. They delight in breaking rules, but not rules that matter. This quality may be redundant though; it may be implied by imagination. Sam Altman of Loopt is one of the most successful alumni, so we asked him what question we could put on the Y Combinator application that would help us discover more people like him. He said to ask about a time when they'd hacked something to their advantage—hacked in the sense of beating the system, not breaking into computers. It has become one of the questions we pay most attention to when judging applications. http://paulgraham.com/founders.html http://paulgraham.com/founders.html

elastic_church 10y ago
Protip: nobody calculates margin in real time accurately, especially when mixing option spreads across indices, stocks and futures in the same account. Futures use SPAN margining and funds have to be moved behind the scenes but many brokers still report REG-T margin or the slightly more advanced Portfolio Margining which is capable of weighting the entire portfolio. Ethically questionable? Who gives a fuck, did he make money or nah? The Fed, SROs, and individual brokerage firms set the margin limits. And when you are rich enough you can have your own lack-of-compliance officer and what-risk? manager