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> Subsequent attempts to engage sincerely were also met with derision, so I'm not sure anything could have ever been done that wouldn't have been met similarly.
by CiPHPerCoder 10y ago
> Subsequent attempts to engage sincerely were also met with derision, so I'm not sure anything could have ever been done that wouldn't have been met similarly.
Some people are like that, where if you respond to their snark, your response will be used against you to tarnish your reputation in the eyes of bystanders.
It is important to never let them get the moral high ground.
If someone says something like...
* "Your team is all white."
* "Your team is all male."
* "Your team is all American."
* "Your team is all able-bodied."
A better way to respond would be something like, "That's true. We're always looking for new talent and embrace diversity, just haven't had much luck yet. <hiring page URL here> if anyone's interested."
It addresses the problem, and contains an open invitation for people of diverse backgrounds to apply.
(All of this is assuming you're willing to work with people who aren't white, aren't male, aren't American, and/or aren't able-bodied, of course.)
- nananonymous 10y agoThis type of social control is so bizarre to me. Like, here's a literal script for you to read from if you'd like us to stop attacking you in the future.
- CiPHPerCoder 10y ago> Like, here's a literal script for you to read from if you'd like us to stop attacking you in the future. Us? I'm talking about them, in a third person sense, not a first person sense. Them, in this case, is meant to refer to trollish individuals looking to cause trouble under the facade of caring about the plight of women, people of color, etc. but actually are just in it for their own emotions. The people who want to stir the pot, not make things better. Rather than a script furnished in a list of demands from said subset of the populace, this is more of a suggestion to defuse conflicts in a way that doesn't let them win.
- nananonymous 10y agoBeing forced to adopt others beliefs about diversity as their own is the definition of hegemony. You're taking part in making sure they have the "right" beliefs about business structure and hiring practices, and it's all the more insidious because you claim you're not.
- CiPHPerCoder 10y ago> Being forced to adopt others beliefs about diversity as their own is the definition of hegemony. Okay? I really don't have any interest in where this conversation seems to be going. If you're dealing with a troll, doing what I said will disarm 99% of their tactics. If you don't like that, take it up with the trolls. If you, rather, have a problem with diversity itself, then let's end this discussion here. EDIT: > You're taking part in making sure they have the "right" beliefs about business structure and hiring practices, and it's all the more insidious because you claim you're not. Okay, this is clearly not a discussion worth having.
- nananonymous 10y ago> Okay, this is clearly not a discussion worth having. 100% agreed.
- dang 10y agoPlease don't do ideological flamewars on HN.
- dang 10y agoWe detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13930194 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13930194 and marked it off-topic.
- ripdog 10y agoOr, you could just not feed the trolls.