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Why don't people ever give native emacs a try? No evil-mode, no super-bloat spacemacs, just barebone emacs with maybe one or two plugins??

by bostand 10y ago

bitexploder 10y ago
It is fine. The one extension I have really come to love is Helm. It makes buffer management great. And navigating files becomes nicer than dired. Along with that it is mostly about good modes.
quanticle 10y ago
Why don't people ever give native emacs a try? Because some of us would still like to be programming in 20 years' time rather than being crippled by carpal tunnel ;) I included a smiley, but I'm only half jesting. I tried to use native emacs for a while, but even after remapping caps-lock to ctrl, I was getting weird twinges in my wrist from all the odd angles I was having to go to in order to hit ctrl and meta. I switched back to vim, and the twinges stopped. I didn't know about evil mode or spacemacs then, otherwise I might have tried to stick with emacs.
afghanPower 10y ago
Tried it. Very uncomfortable navigation. Installed a couple of plugins (evil is one of them) and Emacs mostly do the same stuff as my nvim right now, except for being superior for Clojure development.
- bostand 10y ago
  You may disagree, but IMO use of evil mode normally indicates a former vim user is trying really hard to not use emacs the emacs way.
adrianratnapala 10y ago
The emacs that I installed in vanilla Slackware back in '95 seemed plenty super-bloated to me. That's why I learned vi. It took me a long time to even consider that new-fangled 'vim' thing.
- mschaef 10y ago
  Well, Emacs did stand for "Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping", after all...
  - bostand 10y ago
    ... how much memory does atom use for editing a 1kb file?
    - Qwertious 10y ago
      The question is, how much does vim use editing anything. IIRC the vim-runtime takes up a whole lot more than 8MB nowadays. It's a seriously weird argument.
erikb 10y ago
As a vim user with only limited emacs experience this makes me curious. That's usually what real vim pros say about vim. It's an awesome tool in itself. use it without plugins. But "we" always thought that emacs is the editor that is exactly made for people who think plugins, fancypancies, bells and whistles are what makes emacs great. Basically for us it seems the cultural difference is vim="skill beats tools, choose one great tool and master it" while emacs="tools beat skill, no need to learn stuff if you can run a script just as well". What's your view?
- bostand 10y ago
  Reading the article it seems that authors issues were all due to buggy and incompatible plugins. Some were even written by the author himself. And that's what I'm trying to say: you don't need 20-odd plugins, they only cause problems. Regarding you other point, I think it's the other way around because vim users can't learn a new set of keyboard shortcuts if their life depended on it and that's basically why we have evil mode.
trishume 10y ago
Author here: I can tell you why I didn't. Yes it would have been faster and more stable, however then I would just complain about the lack of a bunch of features from Sublime that I like, and the terrible keybindings. I actually have minor RSI issues, I'm also not keen to turn them into major RSI issues by using Emacs bindings.

Why don't people ever give native emacs a try? No evil-mode, no super-bloat spacemacs, just barebone emacs with maybe one or two plugins??

by bostand 10y ago

Why don't people ever give native emacs a try? No evil-mode, no super-bloat spacemacs, just barebone emacs with maybe one or two plugins??

bitexploder 10y ago

It is fine. The one extension I have really come to love is Helm. It makes buffer management great. And navigating files becomes nicer than dired. Along with that it is mostly about good modes.

quanticle 10y ago

Why don't people ever give native emacs a try? Because some of us would still like to be programming in 20 years' time rather than being crippled by carpal tunnel ;) I included a smiley, but I'm only half jesting. I tried to use native emacs for a while, but even after remapping caps-lock to ctrl, I was getting weird twinges in my wrist from all the odd angles I was having to go to in order to hit ctrl and meta. I switched back to vim, and the twinges stopped. I didn't know about evil mode or spacemacs then, otherwise I might have tried to stick with emacs.

afghanPower 10y ago

Tried it. Very uncomfortable navigation. Installed a couple of plugins (evil is one of them) and Emacs mostly do the same stuff as my nvim right now, except for being superior for Clojure development.

bostand 10y ago
You may disagree, but IMO use of evil mode normally indicates a former vim user is trying really hard to not use emacs the emacs way.

adrianratnapala 10y ago

The emacs that I installed in vanilla Slackware back in '95 seemed plenty super-bloated to me. That's why I learned vi. It took me a long time to even consider that new-fangled 'vim' thing.

mschaef 10y ago
Well, Emacs did stand for "Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping", after all...
- bostand 10y ago
  ... how much memory does atom use for editing a 1kb file?
  - Qwertious 10y ago
    The question is, how much does vim use editing anything. IIRC the vim-runtime takes up a whole lot more than 8MB nowadays. It's a seriously weird argument.

erikb 10y ago

As a vim user with only limited emacs experience this makes me curious. That's usually what real vim pros say about vim. It's an awesome tool in itself. use it without plugins. But "we" always thought that emacs is the editor that is exactly made for people who think plugins, fancypancies, bells and whistles are what makes emacs great. Basically for us it seems the cultural difference is vim="skill beats tools, choose one great tool and master it" while emacs="tools beat skill, no need to learn stuff if you can run a script just as well". What's your view?

bostand 10y ago
Reading the article it seems that authors issues were all due to buggy and incompatible plugins. Some were even written by the author himself. And that's what I'm trying to say: you don't need 20-odd plugins, they only cause problems. Regarding you other point, I think it's the other way around because vim users can't learn a new set of keyboard shortcuts if their life depended on it and that's basically why we have evil mode.

trishume 10y ago

Author here: I can tell you why I didn't. Yes it would have been faster and more stable, however then I would just complain about the lack of a bunch of features from Sublime that I like, and the terrible keybindings. I actually have minor RSI issues, I'm also not keen to turn them into major RSI issues by using Emacs bindings.