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I recall lbry.io being posted here before and there were concerns around the naming system, where anyone could take control of a particular name just by giving

by QasimK 10y ago

I recall lbry.io being posted here before and there were concerns around the naming system, where anyone could take control of a particular name just by giving more money to it at any point. There's an FAQ up (https://lbry.io/faq/naming https://lbry.io/faq/naming) which addresses this concern, and I think the system that they have designed is fantastic. It seems fair, although I'd give a slightly longer time period for a "counter-bid" personally. I'd taking a look at the FAQ before you move away or comment because they answer a lot of different questions

CJefferson 10y ago
My problem with all of this is I don't care about having the "best name". I want to make a new name, and then work increasing it's value. This system seems like anyone who wants to make a name but not monitise it will lose. How much of the value of (picking the first things that come into my head) the names FSF, GPL, GCC and clang come from the organisations and products? I bet those names would be worth much more to someone willing to use adverts and spam. And even if we raised enough money to keep the names out of the hands of spammers, all that's happening is that lbry gets to charge a tax to anyone who has a name that has got even slightly popular.
- OJFord 10y ago
  Isn't that addressed by this FAQ entry? > Rest assured, we’re implementing permanent URLs that are always yours. https://lbry.io/faq/no-auction-options https://lbry.io/faq/no-auction-options
  - CJefferson 10y ago
    Yes, but they will just be randomly generated strings, that doesn't really sound appealing. Also they don't exist yet.
    - kauffj 10y ago
      That FAQ article is old and I'm going to update it to point at https://lbry.io/faq/naming https://lbry.io/faq/naming. You can get names as short as: lbry://name#a Where #a can actually be that short. If you want a name with no identifiers or filters at all, the voting system will continue to be used.
      - tyingq 10y ago
        What are valid characters for an identifier? Can I have lbry://foo## for example?
        kauffj 10y ago
        It matches by claim id, which is a much longer hash, but the system will do partial matches. In the case of conflicting partial matches, the first claim (temporally) is resolved.
        tyingq 10y ago
        Edit: Ignore below...you already said earliest claim is preferred. I need to stop skimming. (or I missed a stealth edit?) Ah, so everything after the # is random then. And if you choose to abbreviate, you are risking whatever the collision likelihood is, in 4 bit increments, assuming the hash is hex digits. There doesn't appear to be a throttle on claims, so choosing to abbreviate with just one character could be risky? Or does your substring match prefer earliest claim?
        kauffj 10y ago
        Yes, substring matches prefer earlier claims.
        CJefferson 10y ago
        So i can still quickly camp on all the single letter extensions to popular names?
j_s 10y ago
I had a bit of a tough time finding this previous discussion since it was flagged. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12418081 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12418081 mrkgnao: These two goals -- being subject to the DMCA (and similar laws), and promising a predetermined, immutable set of rules -- are incompatible. developer2: It's AOL keywords with a bidding system - for any site or service. The also generated some comments here, though most were focused on the Berkely issue rather than LBRY: 20,000 UC Berkeley Lectures Made Illegal, So We Irrevocably Mirrored Them https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13887428 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13887428
- dang 10y ago
  Not sure how it ended up [dead] as well, but we've unkilled it.

by QasimK 10y ago

CJefferson 10y ago

My problem with all of this is I don't care about having the "best name". I want to make a new name, and then work increasing it's value. This system seems like anyone who wants to make a name but not monitise it will lose. How much of the value of (picking the first things that come into my head) the names FSF, GPL, GCC and clang come from the organisations and products? I bet those names would be worth much more to someone willing to use adverts and spam. And even if we raised enough money to keep the names out of the hands of spammers, all that's happening is that lbry gets to charge a tax to anyone who has a name that has got even slightly popular.

OJFord 10y ago
Isn't that addressed by this FAQ entry? > Rest assured, we’re implementing permanent URLs that are always yours. https://lbry.io/faq/no-auction-options https://lbry.io/faq/no-auction-options
- CJefferson 10y ago
  Yes, but they will just be randomly generated strings, that doesn't really sound appealing. Also they don't exist yet.
  - kauffj 10y ago
    That FAQ article is old and I'm going to update it to point at https://lbry.io/faq/naming https://lbry.io/faq/naming. You can get names as short as: lbry://name#a Where #a can actually be that short. If you want a name with no identifiers or filters at all, the voting system will continue to be used.
    - tyingq 10y ago
      What are valid characters for an identifier? Can I have lbry://foo## for example?
      - kauffj 10y ago
        It matches by claim id, which is a much longer hash, but the system will do partial matches. In the case of conflicting partial matches, the first claim (temporally) is resolved.
        tyingq 10y ago
        Edit: Ignore below...you already said earliest claim is preferred. I need to stop skimming. (or I missed a stealth edit?) Ah, so everything after the # is random then. And if you choose to abbreviate, you are risking whatever the collision likelihood is, in 4 bit increments, assuming the hash is hex digits. There doesn't appear to be a throttle on claims, so choosing to abbreviate with just one character could be risky? Or does your substring match prefer earliest claim?
        kauffj 10y ago
        Yes, substring matches prefer earlier claims.
        CJefferson 10y ago
        So i can still quickly camp on all the single letter extensions to popular names?

j_s 10y ago

I had a bit of a tough time finding this previous discussion since it was flagged. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12418081 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12418081 mrkgnao: These two goals -- being subject to the DMCA (and similar laws), and promising a predetermined, immutable set of rules -- are incompatible. developer2: It's AOL keywords with a bidding system - for any site or service. The also generated some comments here, though most were focused on the Berkely issue rather than LBRY: 20,000 UC Berkeley Lectures Made Illegal, So We Irrevocably Mirrored Them https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13887428 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13887428

dang 10y ago
Not sure how it ended up [dead] as well, but we've unkilled it.