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I love those exciting stand-ups where you tell everyone what you did yesterday

by bbcbasic 10y ago

mattmanser 10y ago
Yes, it reminds me of primary school. I love being treated like a small child.
- brianwawok 10y ago
  Especially in a remote company, do you have a better idea how to spread knowledge? Standup listing what you did kind of sucks. But also literally knowing 0 about what anyone else in the team is working on also sucks. Unless you literally just want to be handed a pile of Jira tickets by a PM and told to fix them? But that seems not a very healthy environment. Something like this post where you dump a git log of what each person pushed could get maybe the boring part of standup automated... and then you would only need to report the non code part.. which maybe seems better?
  - ashark 10y ago
    Nothing that can be learned from tools belongs in a standup—or any meeting—unless it's especially notable. Spend a morning automating the reporting of it to email or IRC or Slack or whatever (god, email, please) and forget about it.
  - mattmanser 10y ago
    Putting aside that most teams in the world aren't remote, do you seriously need to do that daily? Something more fundamentally wrong is going on if people can't assign work more than a day in advance without stepping on each other's toes. Daily standups are simply a form of micro-managing, the scrum guys have done a colossal amount of harm to our industry.
    - brianwawok 10y ago
      > Putting aside that most teams in the world aren't remote, do you seriously need to do that daily? Have you worked both remote and in person? In person you generally see people every day. Remote you do mot. > Something more fundamentally wrong is going on if people can't assign work more than a day in advance without stepping on each other's toes. Not always about assigning work. What if you are working on some task, and to fix a bug you need to refactor something. How do you spread that knowledge? Code review by entire team? Slack blast? Stand-up announcement? Somehow you should want to manage that.. > Daily standups are simply a form of micro-managing, the scrum guys have done a colossal amount of harm to our industry. Scrum is a tool. It can be used well, and it can be used poorly. There are times when over-communication (what scrum tends towards) is very good. There are times when it is bad. I think remote it can be better to slightly over vs slightly under-communicate.

I love those exciting stand-ups where you tell everyone what you did yesterday

mattmanser 10y ago

Yes, it reminds me of primary school. I love being treated like a small child.

brianwawok 10y ago
Especially in a remote company, do you have a better idea how to spread knowledge? Standup listing what you did kind of sucks. But also literally knowing 0 about what anyone else in the team is working on also sucks. Unless you literally just want to be handed a pile of Jira tickets by a PM and told to fix them? But that seems not a very healthy environment. Something like this post where you dump a git log of what each person pushed could get maybe the boring part of standup automated... and then you would only need to report the non code part.. which maybe seems better?
- ashark 10y ago
  Nothing that can be learned from tools belongs in a standup—or any meeting—unless it's especially notable. Spend a morning automating the reporting of it to email or IRC or Slack or whatever (god, email, please) and forget about it.
- mattmanser 10y ago
  Putting aside that most teams in the world aren't remote, do you seriously need to do that daily? Something more fundamentally wrong is going on if people can't assign work more than a day in advance without stepping on each other's toes. Daily standups are simply a form of micro-managing, the scrum guys have done a colossal amount of harm to our industry.
  - brianwawok 10y ago
    > Putting aside that most teams in the world aren't remote, do you seriously need to do that daily? Have you worked both remote and in person? In person you generally see people every day. Remote you do mot. > Something more fundamentally wrong is going on if people can't assign work more than a day in advance without stepping on each other's toes. Not always about assigning work. What if you are working on some task, and to fix a bug you need to refactor something. How do you spread that knowledge? Code review by entire team? Slack blast? Stand-up announcement? Somehow you should want to manage that.. > Daily standups are simply a form of micro-managing, the scrum guys have done a colossal amount of harm to our industry. Scrum is a tool. It can be used well, and it can be used poorly. There are times when over-communication (what scrum tends towards) is very good. There are times when it is bad. I think remote it can be better to slightly over vs slightly under-communicate.