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> I don't think people realize how many options you lose as you get poorer What is poverty if not a lack of options? Who do you think misunderstands this, and

by weberc2 10y ago

> I don't think people realize how many options you lose as you get poorer What is poverty if not a lack of options? Who do you think misunderstands this, and what do you think the misunderstanding is? What sort of misunderstanding would cause nearly everyone to spend the majority of their time avoiding or escaping poverty? In my experience, the people who are typically accused of "misunderstanding the relationship between poverty and options" are simply wary of schemes which seem to incentivize behaviors that lead to poverty.

eropple 10y ago
> Who do you think misunderstands this "Poverty bad, avoid it" is not the same thing as understanding "poverty is a sand trap that becomes nearly inescapable because of otherwise run-of-the-mill incidents that are survivable at higher levels". The former is widely understood--but, frankly, I think the latter is not just misunderstood by actively denied by a large portion of...say...the HN commentariat, for reasons at best selfish and at worst ideological.
- weberc2 10y ago
  > poverty is a sandtrap that becomes nearly inescapable This is different than the original post, which was that it limits your options. I'm also far from convinced that the majority of Americans or HN readers would have a hard time articulating why poverty is dangerous. To be clear, there's a difference between denying the legitimate hazards of poverty and criticizing certain social policies or attitudes.
rosser 10y ago
I don't think the problem is that people "misunderstand" that notion. I think it's that people who've never been that kind of poor don't — can't — appreciate how few options the people who are actually have, or how much more expensive those options are (not just in terms of the marginal utility of the poor person's dollar, but that things are often objectively more expensive) when you're that poor. It's a subtle distinction, but it's absolutely real.

by weberc2 10y ago

eropple 10y ago

> Who do you think misunderstands this "Poverty bad, avoid it" is not the same thing as understanding "poverty is a sand trap that becomes nearly inescapable because of otherwise run-of-the-mill incidents that are survivable at higher levels". The former is widely understood--but, frankly, I think the latter is not just misunderstood by actively denied by a large portion of...say...the HN commentariat, for reasons at best selfish and at worst ideological.

weberc2 10y ago
> poverty is a sandtrap that becomes nearly inescapable This is different than the original post, which was that it limits your options. I'm also far from convinced that the majority of Americans or HN readers would have a hard time articulating why poverty is dangerous. To be clear, there's a difference between denying the legitimate hazards of poverty and criticizing certain social policies or attitudes.

rosser 10y ago

I don't think the problem is that people "misunderstand" that notion. I think it's that people who've never been that kind of poor don't — can't — appreciate how few options the people who are actually have, or how much more expensive those options are (not just in terms of the marginal utility of the poor person's dollar, but that things are often objectively more expensive) when you're that poor. It's a subtle distinction, but it's absolutely real.