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Neither, they should be held responsible for their actions. Only a change in their actions can change the outcome. Treatment is a nonsense word in this applicat

by solson 16y ago

Neither, they should be held responsible for their actions. Only a change in their actions can change the outcome. Treatment is a nonsense word in this application. "Treatment" is just a way to use social tricks to get them to make different choices while making them believe it's a disease so they don't resist treatment. Real treatment for alcoholism is a liver transplant. Real treatment for obesity is liposuction. They only way to stop damaging yourself is to take responsibility and stop doing what you've been doing. Telling people they are powerless robs them of their dignity and is an outright lie. The person with the problem is the only one with the power to change! The treatment industry in America is a racket that is mostly based on the AA 12 Steps. At best it has a 5% success rate. (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html) If you want a good book on the subject, read Rational Recovery http://www.amazon.com/Rational-Recovery-Cure-Substance-Addiction/dp/0671528580/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1275311441&sr=8-1 http://www.amazon.com/Rational-Recovery-Cure-Substance-Addic...

Daniel_Newby 16y ago
"Neither, they should be held responsible for their actions. Only a change in their actions can change the outcome." Experiments strongly suggest that choice and strength of willpower have little to do with body weight. Controlled overfeeding experiments in humans have demonstrated a wide variation in weight gain. Some people's bodies are simply resistant to storing excess food, while other people's store it avidly and gain weight rapidly. After the overfeeding phase of the experiment finished, they then lost weight rapidly with no perceived effort or exercise of willpower. Meanwhile various nonhuman animal experiments have found that body fat is fairly sensitive to things like gut microbes, details of food composition, and subtle differences in the environment. Not one of these can be changed by simply resolving to eat less. "Real treatment for obesity is liposuction." Obesity is a disorder of food conversion and storage, not body fat. Liposuction causes temporary and cosmetic changes. Real treatment is a drug that alters the brain centers responsible for metabolism and hunger. (And indeed such drugs exist and are spectacularly effective. Unfortunately the existing ones also have spectacular and dangerous side effects, but much better ones are rapidly being developed.)

by solson 16y ago

Daniel_Newby 16y ago

"Neither, they should be held responsible for their actions. Only a change in their actions can change the outcome." Experiments strongly suggest that choice and strength of willpower have little to do with body weight. Controlled overfeeding experiments in humans have demonstrated a wide variation in weight gain. Some people's bodies are simply resistant to storing excess food, while other people's store it avidly and gain weight rapidly. After the overfeeding phase of the experiment finished, they then lost weight rapidly with no perceived effort or exercise of willpower. Meanwhile various nonhuman animal experiments have found that body fat is fairly sensitive to things like gut microbes, details of food composition, and subtle differences in the environment. Not one of these can be changed by simply resolving to eat less. "Real treatment for obesity is liposuction." Obesity is a disorder of food conversion and storage, not body fat. Liposuction causes temporary and cosmetic changes. Real treatment is a drug that alters the brain centers responsible for metabolism and hunger. (And indeed such drugs exist and are spectacularly effective. Unfortunately the existing ones also have spectacular and dangerous side effects, but much better ones are rapidly being developed.)