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weberc2 10y ago
I would be wary of basing those choices on these data. If I just learned about the concept of programming languages for the first time, I might refer to this for a vague understanding of which languages are popular--I might not opt to learn Coq over JavaScript, but it's not obvious from these data that picking JavaScript will be of greater benefit to my career, interests, or organization than Scala. This seems like one metric to consider, and not even a very good one. In particular, popularity on StackOverflow should probably count against a language, but these rankings consider it a virtue.
- kodfodrasz 10y ago
  SO popularity is neither clearly positive, neither clearly negative. Why not positive: because if there are lots of questions about something, it must be very hard, with lots of gotchas, unclear points. Why not negative: because if there are lots of questions about something, it must be very popular, so many newcomers have their trivial questions, which do not necessarily indicate problems about the language.
  - weberc2 10y ago
    Right, the SO value is approximately the product of popularity and difficulty; the GH value is approximately popularity, so if you difficulty is approximately SO/GH.
    - kodfodrasz 10y ago
      If this would be true, then "XML" and ASP would be the hardest languages. Also this would suggest that TeX for example is simpler to use than Python or Ruby. I do not think this stands.
      - weberc2 10y ago
        Hence, "approximation". In particular, XML isn't a programming language, so questions about it are more likely to pertain to writing parsers and the like. TeX users may well have other sources for answering their questions. The approximation is very rough, but there is clearly a signal in the noise.

weberc2 10y ago

I would be wary of basing those choices on these data. If I just learned about the concept of programming languages for the first time, I might refer to this for a vague understanding of which languages are popular--I might not opt to learn Coq over JavaScript, but it's not obvious from these data that picking JavaScript will be of greater benefit to my career, interests, or organization than Scala. This seems like one metric to consider, and not even a very good one. In particular, popularity on StackOverflow should probably count against a language, but these rankings consider it a virtue.

kodfodrasz 10y ago
SO popularity is neither clearly positive, neither clearly negative. Why not positive: because if there are lots of questions about something, it must be very hard, with lots of gotchas, unclear points. Why not negative: because if there are lots of questions about something, it must be very popular, so many newcomers have their trivial questions, which do not necessarily indicate problems about the language.
- weberc2 10y ago
  Right, the SO value is approximately the product of popularity and difficulty; the GH value is approximately popularity, so if you difficulty is approximately SO/GH.
  - kodfodrasz 10y ago
    If this would be true, then "XML" and ASP would be the hardest languages. Also this would suggest that TeX for example is simpler to use than Python or Ruby. I do not think this stands.
    - weberc2 10y ago
      Hence, "approximation". In particular, XML isn't a programming language, so questions about it are more likely to pertain to writing parsers and the like. TeX users may well have other sources for answering their questions. The approximation is very rough, but there is clearly a signal in the noise.