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Sorry for your loss. > There's something greatly fucked up about our society when we help our dogs die with more dignity than we do ourselves. And I agree! I'

by arcanus 10y ago

Sorry for your loss. > There's something greatly fucked up about our society when we help our dogs die with more dignity than we do ourselves. And I agree! I've said it for years: our animals die more dignified deaths than many humans.

kgwgk 10y ago
Maybe the dogs would prefer to stay alive if they had a choice.
- mybffisadog 10y ago
  Maybe the dogs owners, who think of the dog as family as per the article, would also prefer the dog to stay alive if they had a choice.
- beat 10y ago
  When we got Rubu's diagnosis, we knew we only had weeks. He was going through bouts of suffering, but not in real pain, and was "himself". We were able to keep him for two weeks, before the attacks were coming too often and he was truly suffering. We could have kept him alive. He would have lived maybe hours, maybe weeks, but sooner or later, the cancer was going to kill him. We could have gone into "treatment"... removed his spleen (which might kill him then and there), followed by intensive chemotherapy. That might have gotten him months, but at the cost of great suffering. We did what was best for him, not for us. If I had my way, he'd be curled up on the couch next to me right now.
- tunap 10y ago
  On that note, my gramma-in-law is pissed(& in agony) right now because her DNR was not respected. She is 95yo and suffered a stroke 2 weeks ago. She spent the last 9 months rehabbing a broken hip and said she would not choose to do it again. She is currently drugged to the gills, mostly paralyzed and still manages to cuss & plead for mercy. Dr Jack Kevorkian should have been lauded, instead he was given jail. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Kevorkian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Kevorkian
artacus 10y ago
I would encourage you to take the time to just consider this in a different way. Animals that are loved are soulish, the incredible (but unfortunately not Catholic) Dr. Hugh Ross makes this easy to understand: http://www.reasons.org/articles/origin-of-soulish-animals http://www.reasons.org/articles/origin-of-soulish-animals. I would simply add that God allows us to form loving bonds with animals to provide a little heaven on earth --a loved [animal of your choice] is heaven on earth. But heaven being heaven, we won't need something as wonderful as our animal friends to make existence better. Now if the misguided Puritans didn't have their way everybody would be able to die with the amount of dignity they need to make it to the end of the race. Why, because God has provided us with all the tools we need to control pain, but the powers-that-be (really they are the pain-givers either intentionally or just out of ignorance) deny this to us --think about all the places that put people in jail for growing a plant, or otherwise prohibiting scientists to their jobs to make things better. My inner St Francis tells me that we euthanize animals at the correct time because of our love and respect for them, and there's no consequence for their souls. But for our fellow man, we provide care to its natural end so that we can all live forever. Frank T. McAndrew did a great job with this article. I think about this stuff all the time because for me it's infinitely interesting, but in my case, I put a Catholic spin on it.
- mrkgnao 10y ago
  > so that we can all live forever At what cost?
  - artacus 10y ago
    There's only one way to live forever, and I now know with certainty that commenting on Atheist Central will not get you there, more like lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate.
    - mrkgnao 10y ago
      You swapped a couple letters around there. Haven't seen that line in a long time.
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by arcanus 10y ago

kgwgk 10y ago

Maybe the dogs would prefer to stay alive if they had a choice.

mybffisadog 10y ago
Maybe the dogs owners, who think of the dog as family as per the article, would also prefer the dog to stay alive if they had a choice.
beat 10y ago
When we got Rubu's diagnosis, we knew we only had weeks. He was going through bouts of suffering, but not in real pain, and was "himself". We were able to keep him for two weeks, before the attacks were coming too often and he was truly suffering. We could have kept him alive. He would have lived maybe hours, maybe weeks, but sooner or later, the cancer was going to kill him. We could have gone into "treatment"... removed his spleen (which might kill him then and there), followed by intensive chemotherapy. That might have gotten him months, but at the cost of great suffering. We did what was best for him, not for us. If I had my way, he'd be curled up on the couch next to me right now.
tunap 10y ago
On that note, my gramma-in-law is pissed(& in agony) right now because her DNR was not respected. She is 95yo and suffered a stroke 2 weeks ago. She spent the last 9 months rehabbing a broken hip and said she would not choose to do it again. She is currently drugged to the gills, mostly paralyzed and still manages to cuss & plead for mercy. Dr Jack Kevorkian should have been lauded, instead he was given jail. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Kevorkian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Kevorkian

artacus 10y ago

I would encourage you to take the time to just consider this in a different way. Animals that are loved are soulish, the incredible (but unfortunately not Catholic) Dr. Hugh Ross makes this easy to understand: http://www.reasons.org/articles/origin-of-soulish-animals http://www.reasons.org/articles/origin-of-soulish-animals. I would simply add that God allows us to form loving bonds with animals to provide a little heaven on earth --a loved [animal of your choice] is heaven on earth. But heaven being heaven, we won't need something as wonderful as our animal friends to make existence better. Now if the misguided Puritans didn't have their way everybody would be able to die with the amount of dignity they need to make it to the end of the race. Why, because God has provided us with all the tools we need to control pain, but the powers-that-be (really they are the pain-givers either intentionally or just out of ignorance) deny this to us --think about all the places that put people in jail for growing a plant, or otherwise prohibiting scientists to their jobs to make things better. My inner St Francis tells me that we euthanize animals at the correct time because of our love and respect for them, and there's no consequence for their souls. But for our fellow man, we provide care to its natural end so that we can all live forever. Frank T. McAndrew did a great job with this article. I think about this stuff all the time because for me it's infinitely interesting, but in my case, I put a Catholic spin on it.

mrkgnao 10y ago
> so that we can all live forever At what cost?
- artacus 10y ago
  There's only one way to live forever, and I now know with certainty that commenting on Atheist Central will not get you there, more like lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate.
  - mrkgnao 10y ago
    You swapped a couple letters around there. Haven't seen that line in a long time.
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