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> Downsizing this way means your most self-motivated, productive employees are likely to leave long before those who drive to the office because they feel they

> Downsizing this way means your most self-motivated, productive employees are likely to leave long before those who drive to the office because they feel they have no other choice. Downsizing this way means people with kids or other obligations that make controlling your own schedule convenient are likely to leave long before those who drive to the office because they feel they have no other choice. FTFY.

geodel 10y ago
You haven't really fixed much. I personally know quite a few people where work from home is basically another word for coasting or taking care of personal stuff while logged into company's system. And since many of them are hardly motivated for technical work it is not going to be easy to get another job with similar compensation along with WFH facility.
- throw2016 10y ago
  I am sure many of us know or have known people who browse facebook, twitter and youtube at work all day. Anecdotal evidence or the actions of of a tiny minority is hardly helpful to any meaningful discussion and can be used to 'close down' any initiative.
  - ythn 10y ago
    So we know for certain people like that are in a "tiny minority"? I would guess they are more than a minority. Being super productive in a potentially distracting or accountability-free environment requires a lot of discipline and self-motivation, which is something I would have guessed is the minority attribute.
  - geodel 10y ago
    It might be anecdotal which I doubt but then how do we know this is action of tiny minority. I should add I do work from home certain times but I take it as privilege rather than a right to work whenever it is convenient to me.
    - halbritt 10y ago
      Your employer is making more money off of your work output than they're paying you. I think you may be confused about who may be the privileged one in the relationship.
      - geodel 10y ago
        I also need to evaluate the alternatives to see how viable they are. Once legal, financial etc constraints are added I just do not see upper hand in bargaining. Just to add I am in somewhat IBM like situation described here. A lot of us here are in similar predicament to move or to leave.
    - dkersten 10y ago
      It might be anecdotal which I doubt Is it "a short account of a particular incident or event, especially of an interesting or amusing nature"? Its an account of "in my experience" or "the people I know do this" -- its not hard facts obtained through the scientific method (ie controlling for other factors and for biases). That makes it, by definition, anecdotal.
      - geodel 10y ago
        You are right. Re-reading my comment I find it a little meaningless.
ctrl-j 10y ago
> FTFY. Ehh, I don't have kids or have a need to control my own schedule. I still work remote as much as possible. If my job said "no more working remote", I'd be hunting for another place of employment. From my own anecdotal experience, it's pretty prevalent that the high-performers in the software industry also have some sort of flex schedule that includes remote work.

geodel 10y ago

You haven't really fixed much. I personally know quite a few people where work from home is basically another word for coasting or taking care of personal stuff while logged into company's system. And since many of them are hardly motivated for technical work it is not going to be easy to get another job with similar compensation along with WFH facility.

throw2016 10y ago
I am sure many of us know or have known people who browse facebook, twitter and youtube at work all day. Anecdotal evidence or the actions of of a tiny minority is hardly helpful to any meaningful discussion and can be used to 'close down' any initiative.
- ythn 10y ago
  So we know for certain people like that are in a "tiny minority"? I would guess they are more than a minority. Being super productive in a potentially distracting or accountability-free environment requires a lot of discipline and self-motivation, which is something I would have guessed is the minority attribute.
- geodel 10y ago
  It might be anecdotal which I doubt but then how do we know this is action of tiny minority. I should add I do work from home certain times but I take it as privilege rather than a right to work whenever it is convenient to me.
  - halbritt 10y ago
    Your employer is making more money off of your work output than they're paying you. I think you may be confused about who may be the privileged one in the relationship.
    - geodel 10y ago
      I also need to evaluate the alternatives to see how viable they are. Once legal, financial etc constraints are added I just do not see upper hand in bargaining. Just to add I am in somewhat IBM like situation described here. A lot of us here are in similar predicament to move or to leave.
  - dkersten 10y ago
    It might be anecdotal which I doubt Is it "a short account of a particular incident or event, especially of an interesting or amusing nature"? Its an account of "in my experience" or "the people I know do this" -- its not hard facts obtained through the scientific method (ie controlling for other factors and for biases). That makes it, by definition, anecdotal.
    - geodel 10y ago
      You are right. Re-reading my comment I find it a little meaningless.

ctrl-j 10y ago

> FTFY. Ehh, I don't have kids or have a need to control my own schedule. I still work remote as much as possible. If my job said "no more working remote", I'd be hunting for another place of employment. From my own anecdotal experience, it's pretty prevalent that the high-performers in the software industry also have some sort of flex schedule that includes remote work.