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AirBnb charges and pays VAT in the UK and EU [1]. EBay charges and pays VAT in the UK and EU [2]. I understand that companies want to avoid paying taxes, but I
by ziszis 10y ago
AirBnb charges and pays VAT in the UK and EU [1]. EBay charges and pays VAT in the UK and EU [2]. I understand that companies want to avoid paying taxes, but I wonder what the legal reasoning was that led Uber to decide not to. Uber needs to pick its battles better.
[1] https://www.airbnb.com/help/article/436/what-is-vat-and-how-does-it-apply-to-me https://www.airbnb.com/help/article/436/what-is-vat-and-how-...
[2] http://sellercentre.ebay.co.uk/business/about-vat http://sellercentre.ebay.co.uk/business/about-vat
- azneo 10y agoAmazon, too, pays VAT in the UK.
- dalore 10y agoUber is arguing that they aren't taking the money, but the driver is. And so the driver pays the vat. Uber would have to pay VAT on the part they take from the driver though. Uber take what 30%? So if you had a £100 ride, the driver takes up £70. The driver will be under the VAT threshold and so doesn't have to charge VAT. However, Uber's £30 they took from the driver should have VAT. I've heard from drivers that Uber adds lots of fees so I wouldn't be surprised if they actually took £36 from the driver and charged him £6 VAT. That VAT would go the UK government, but it would be offset by any expenses Uber incurs with VAT. The UK want Uber to add the VAT before it goes to the driver. So the £100 ride would cost £120. Of which £20 would go the government, and the driver not pay anything (as he is an employee). So not only are they trying to avoid paying less VAT but they are trying to avoid passing on the VAT to customer, making their prices seem cheaper when compared to people that do charge VAT. But a black cab wouldn't normally charge VAT either, since they are self employeed and would be under the threshold.
- ziszis 10y agoThe argument that "Uber isn't taking the money, but the driver is" seems like a difficult one to make (and I know that you are not making this argument) given that : a) Uber actually collects the payment and then disburses some payment to the drivers. The amount paid to driver is variable over time as percentage of revenue. b) Uber's model is not subscription based or something that clearly decouples Uber's revenue from the driver's revenue. c) Uber initially subsidizes and pays drivers above and beyond the total market revenue to build liquidity. So, in every possible way Uber's revenue is intertwined with the driver's payment.
- celticninja 10y agoI'm not sure black cabs would automatically be under the VAT threshold. It is currently £83k, so in a 6 day working week that is £270 per day. Not an unachievable sum for a London black cab.
- dalore 10y agoBut how much of that is cash. If it's cash they don't have to claim all of it. Easily putting them under the threshold.