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Carlsbad, CA to photograph every car entering city
- mirimir 10y agoPaywall free link: http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/communities/north-county/sd-no-plate-readers-20170317-story.html http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/communities/north-county...
- dang 10y agoOk, we changed to that from http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-carlsbad-license-plates-20170320-story.html http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-carlsbad-license-pl....
- colemannugent 10y agoCurrent article link still seems to have the same paywall. Interestingly, it's almost exactly the same paywall. Edit: Seems they're both owned by the same parent company: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tronc#Current_properties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tronc#Current_properties
- dang 10y agoTwas worth a try.
- 824ueirwfjd 10y agounion tribune (previously UT-San Diego) was purchased by parent Tronc which owns latimes among others...
- pinaceae 10y agoFastrak already does this, using any toll crossing or paid express lane triggers it. Good luck entering SF from Marin without getting scanned.
- gyrgtyn 10y agoJust don't put your plates on. It's just a fixit ticket in CA, for a while.
- kkennis 10y agoAnd inside Marin, the town of Tiburon does this as well - stoplight cameras at every entry/exit point.
- icantdrive55 10y agoI'll throw this in too. If you drive an older vechicle don't enter Tiburon after nightfall. They will pull you over for no reason. The camera was installed because Tiburon had some weird murders. There all involved wealthy residents. In each case the their was no theft. In each case, it appeared the deceased appeared to know the killer. I understand the frustration of the little police force. I don't understand harassing poor people. On a side note, the camera was installed before it was routine to have videos on your home. Since their are so many cameras throughout the city now, and on all those million dollar plus homes; take the town's camera down.
- koolba 10y agoStartup Idea! A service that provides an 18-wheeler to drive into with your vehicle that gets you into the city without being tagged (so basically it's the truck from Spy Hunter but with a phone app).
- costcopizza 10y agoI bet your quip got down-voted because you didn't specify that the 18-wheeler would be autonomous.
- pavel_lishin 10y ago> Four council members, however, said they’re confident the information can be kept secure Based on what? The contract appears to be with a company that provides safety equipment, not electronics/surveillance equipment. How exactly is Mallory Safety & Supply a trusted security provider? > and that the system will increase safety for residents and police officers. Based on what? > They also said it may deter criminals from breaking the law in the city. Based on what? > “It’s really hard to put a price on trying to fight crime,” said Mayor Matt Hall. “When it’s a violent crime, and you can prevent it, how do you put a price on that? What about all the times when it's not a violent crime? When it's not a crime at all? The statistics cited at the beginning of the article didn't mention violent crimes at all.
- trendia 10y agoMy prediction: within a year, Mallory Safety & Supply will file a Firefox bug report requesting that no "login security threat" be shown on their super secure data portal login.
- salesguy222 10y agoIn my opinion, just follow the money trail and relationship net: Does Mallory have any cousins, dear friends, family members in Carlsbad city govt? If so, it might explain why they won a contract ($$$!) for which they probably aren't qualified. And if you want to take it deeper, you ask yourself if the program is even justified in the first place :)
- jcranmer 10y agoI doubt it. Just looking at http://www.uscommunities.org/suppliers/safeware-mallory/ http://www.uscommunities.org/suppliers/safeware-mallory/ gives you a fairly good guess as to how Mallory might have been chosen.
- salesguy222 10y agoAm I missing something? This is a company website that contains stock photos, sales jargon and boring "solutions". Why are they qualified to receive taxpayer money to surveil vehicles wholesale, let alone receive money at all?
- hondo77 10y ago> “It’s really hard to put a price on trying to fight crime,” said Mayor Matt Hall. I bet he can put a price tag on a dozen additional police officers. No kickbacks there, though.
- olivermarks 10y agomust find those cardboard 'I just bought my car at SpeedyMart' temporary number plates to fit when driving into Carlsbad...that's what people who don't want to pay the fast trak tolls in the bay area do...
- al2o3cr 10y agoCouncilman Keith Blackburn, a retired police officer. “I don’t think this ... is going to violate privacy.” And if it does, I'm 100% confident that the likes of Mr. Blackburn will do everything in their power to protect the cops over the citizenry.
- darpa_escapee 10y agoAt a later date, they'll sell that data.
- turc1656 10y agoYep, like when the city gets into financial trouble and can't meet it's overstuffed pension promises. Don't worry, though. I'm sure it will just be "anonymized" data that won't be personally attachable to you and I'm sure that they will follow best security practices and there will never, ever be a hack or data breach.
- ourmandave 10y agoCynical me read this as Carlsbad To Finally Just Admit They've Been Photographing Every Car Entering City for Years.
- everybodyknows 10y agoCarlsbad is unusual among the small towns in the North County area for having its own PD. And it's gained some notoriety: https://youtu.be/WhYRYzzA244 https://youtu.be/WhYRYzzA244
- strathmeyer 10y agoI'm wondering when they're going to make the people in my town take the FOP and actual opaque full plate covers off.
- aurelius12 10y agoTiburon, in Marin, already does this and has for years. http://www.marinscope.com/twin_cities_times/news/tiburon-to-take-photos-of-all-cars-plates/article_eac28dda-013f-596c-8e92-81d3067ab4ef.html http://www.marinscope.com/twin_cities_times/news/tiburon-to-...
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- 6d6b73 10y agoHonestly, why do we expect privacy on a public road? I could install small camera on my house, direct it at the road, and start recording. Run it through some image recognition, and share it online. Am I violating your privacy?
- mikeash 10y agoI tend to agree. I think the problem with this system isn't the privacy aspect, but rather the waste of tax money.
- dsfyu404ed 10y agoWe've established this time and time again, it's the scale and comprehensiveness of the coverage and the power/authority of the entity collecting the data that matters.
- bluejekyll 10y agoGiven that this is a city, it seems like this fight will come up a million times across the country. Is there some more federal legislation that should be pushed to block this type of practice? Something akin to the consumer privacy act, but instead the citizen privacy act?
- wheelerwj 10y agolol, who do you think is going to fund this?
- 6d6b73 10y agoBut if enough people did this, someone could aggregate the data and get this same effect.
- lucb1e 10y agoMaybe, but it's illegal for sure. The filming is, unless you have a good reason like "cars are being set on fire nearby, I'm watching my own"; and by facial recognition all the more if you have no damn good reason. Maybe laws are different wherever you live but you didn't mention a jurisdiction.
- ldayley 10y agoOne aspect of this that isn't widely discussed is that license plate data collected is often shared or rented to auto financers and lenders by the company or municipality collecting the data. It allows them to keep tabs on subprime auto loan debtors (the numbers of which have been booming in the US the past few years). Sources: http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2014/10/16/356693782/your-car-wont-start-did-you-make-the-loan-payment http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2014/10/16/356... http://www.alliedsolutions.net/Our-Solutions/Collections.aspx http://www.alliedsolutions.net/Our-Solutions/Collections.asp...
- megablast 10y agoI have no problem with this. Cars are incredibly dangerous, cause over a million deaths a year. I have no problem with every single car being constantly tracked.
- coin 10y agoCitation needed. For the US this number is less than 50,000, where are other 950,000 car deaths occurring?
- diziet 10y agoWHO: http://www.who.int/gho/road_safety/mortality/en/ http://www.who.int/gho/road_safety/mortality/en/ The US is about 4.3% of the world population. Typically, other populous countries have less cars per capita, but also higher accident and fatality rates.
- jedikv 10y agoLooking at the data, most of those deaths come from India and China - countries that have fundamental infrastructure problems. Traffic mortality is a symptom of something much bigger.
- rland 10y agoHow would this help physical auto safety?
- johnjhayes 10y agomy initial reaction is to be against this, and then I think but I'm for driverless cars and that cat is pretty much born outside of the bag.
- danblick 10y agoNear my old workplace there was an incident where somebody tried to set a fire at night and the police got involved. The criminal got away that night, but I was impressed that they actually caught him a few days later. I got to thinking about how you could do this with today's technology when you're recording things all the time... "Give me the license plates of all the cars that arrived after 11 and left the area between 12:30am and 1:00am?" To say nothing of tracking people using cell phones. (Recall that last bit was discussed in the Snowden leaks...)
- carsarecool 10y agoAm I missing something here? A small California town seems unimpressive compared to other rollouts of this technology including the entire island of Manhattan, as well as [all?] toll roads. [0] https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-future/documents-uncover-nypds-vast-license-plate-reader-database https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-future/documents-uncover-nypd... [1] http://www.mta.info/news-governor-cuomo-bridges-and-tunnels-led-lights-open-road-tolling-automatic-tolling/2016/10/05 http://www.mta.info/news-governor-cuomo-bridges-and-tunnels-... " At each crossing, and at structurally sensitive points on bridges and tunnels, advanced cameras and sensors will be installed to read license plates and test emerging facial recognition software and equipment. These technologies will be applied across airports and transit hubs – including the Penn-Farley Complex – to ultimately develop one system-wide plan."