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I am implying that this is rediculous, and that spending any significant resources to pursue this should be criminal. I'm saying that unless they have a confess

I am implying that this is rediculous, and that spending any significant resources to pursue this should be criminal. I'm saying that unless they have a confession from the defendant that he was trying to kill this guy, or his diary dictating that, which they should include in the story were that the case, then this is just stupid. The presidence this case might set forth is terrifying. It provides a never before seen limitless weaponization of the justice system, which will be abused by those without morals, those who have a lot to lose, and those with more $ to attack anyone they like. Any halfway smart kid can use this image attack with zero risk of being caught, so clearly the safety mechanisms and protections need to be on the victims end.

jacquesm 10y ago
> I'm saying that unless they have a confession from the defendant that he was trying to kill this guy, or his diary dictating that, which they should include in the story were that the case, then this is just stupid. You must have missed the bit in the article where the defendant actually indicated he did just that, and in writing no less.
- 69mlgsniperdad 10y ago
  So the reason this article is on hackernews, is because some kid said he wanted to hurt someone else? That is the newsworthy bit? I can think of a dozen possible arguments justifying this articles relevancy to this community, and they are all laughable. Which one do you prefer? What makes this specific example of said argument more relevant than the thousands of comparable examples to said argument, to hn? I'm curious. The only reasonable one I can come up with off-hand, is that there should be a browser plugin or video driver plugin that somehow limits refresh rate, detects risky patterns, or prevents media from autoplaying. Seems like the real travesty is that someone raised a child with this condition, in this world, with no fear, and no motivation to protect their life, while providing the child without any direction or insight into the many existing tools that could be installed for free in minutes, for their safety. Also, the child's doctors/health system in general. Edit: No I didn't see that, only briefly skimmed the article, my comment (of facetious length), was triggered by the comments near the top when I posted. I would have posted the same thing, minus the bit you quoted, had I not overlooked that fact. Also I listed a plethora of reasons that the existence of this case is ridiculous. Had the perp been harder to find, used obfuscation, or hadn't immediately produced the confession, any random kid could effect potentially MASSIVE costs on the justice and police departments.
  - jacquesm 10y ago
    > So the reason this article is on hackernews, is because some kid said he wanted to hurt someone else? No, it's because he actually did.
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twblalock 10y ago
> I'm saying that unless they have a confession from the defendant that he was trying to kill this guy, or his diary dictating that, which they should include in the story were that the case, then this is just stupid. If that was the standard for a criminal prosecution, we'd rarely convict anyone. > The presidence this case might set forth is terrifying. It provides a never before seen limitless weaponization of the justice system, which will be abused by those without morals, those who have a lot to lose, and those with more $ to attack anyone they like. The fact that assault is a crime has been established many, many years ago.
- 69mlgsniperdad 10y ago
  Every response is karma suicide, however, I am obviously referring to this exact specific case.. One would traditionally assume that posting a gif is not a crime, no matter the gif (with a few exceptions in the law such as certain types of pornography), in THIS case, the person I am responding to claims it is a crime because of the intent. And the precedent I am discussing is apparently whether or not posting a 'gif' image is assault, regardless of intent, which you are implying this case would claim. Please see my other comment, the one(and the paragraph) talking about 'kittens'. Explain to me the difference between this specific case and that one? How about those gifs which tell you to stare at the optical illusion, and after an arbitrary amount of time, show a terrifying skeleton. Is it a crime to post that without sufficient warning?(assuming it hurts someone psychologically - please apply this assumption to all of the following hypotheticals) Those would never 'go viral' if they contained warnings, obviously, and could be extremely and permanently damaging to certain people with relevant psychological conditions. If it isn't a crime to share those images, is it a crime to post them on an anxiety subreddit? If not, is it a crime to post them on an anxiety subreddit, with intention to trigger panic attacks, or similar, in their users? Is it a crime to email those to a person who enjoys optical illusions, has severe panic disorder and ptsd, and several heart conditions? how about with the intent to kill them? Does intent dictate criminality here? If not, what makes it criminal? Number of people affected by a given condition? Please continue down-voting each of my replies(so I am discouraged from proving my argument) and assume whatever titles are associated with that sort of behavior. Edit: Also worth noting that getting convicted is mostly irrelevant to my argument. I am trying to bring attention to the burden this sort of thing could put on a legal system, especially if it was 'weaponized,' as well as the burden of legal fees, time, and negative publicity, false claims like these would have on the defendant.

jacquesm 10y ago

> I'm saying that unless they have a confession from the defendant that he was trying to kill this guy, or his diary dictating that, which they should include in the story were that the case, then this is just stupid. You must have missed the bit in the article where the defendant actually indicated he did just that, and in writing no less.

69mlgsniperdad 10y ago
So the reason this article is on hackernews, is because some kid said he wanted to hurt someone else? That is the newsworthy bit? I can think of a dozen possible arguments justifying this articles relevancy to this community, and they are all laughable. Which one do you prefer? What makes this specific example of said argument more relevant than the thousands of comparable examples to said argument, to hn? I'm curious. The only reasonable one I can come up with off-hand, is that there should be a browser plugin or video driver plugin that somehow limits refresh rate, detects risky patterns, or prevents media from autoplaying. Seems like the real travesty is that someone raised a child with this condition, in this world, with no fear, and no motivation to protect their life, while providing the child without any direction or insight into the many existing tools that could be installed for free in minutes, for their safety. Also, the child's doctors/health system in general. Edit: No I didn't see that, only briefly skimmed the article, my comment (of facetious length), was triggered by the comments near the top when I posted. I would have posted the same thing, minus the bit you quoted, had I not overlooked that fact. Also I listed a plethora of reasons that the existence of this case is ridiculous. Had the perp been harder to find, used obfuscation, or hadn't immediately produced the confession, any random kid could effect potentially MASSIVE costs on the justice and police departments.
- jacquesm 10y ago
  > So the reason this article is on hackernews, is because some kid said he wanted to hurt someone else? No, it's because he actually did.
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twblalock 10y ago

> I'm saying that unless they have a confession from the defendant that he was trying to kill this guy, or his diary dictating that, which they should include in the story were that the case, then this is just stupid. If that was the standard for a criminal prosecution, we'd rarely convict anyone. > The presidence this case might set forth is terrifying. It provides a never before seen limitless weaponization of the justice system, which will be abused by those without morals, those who have a lot to lose, and those with more $ to attack anyone they like. The fact that assault is a crime has been established many, many years ago.

69mlgsniperdad 10y ago
Every response is karma suicide, however, I am obviously referring to this exact specific case.. One would traditionally assume that posting a gif is not a crime, no matter the gif (with a few exceptions in the law such as certain types of pornography), in THIS case, the person I am responding to claims it is a crime because of the intent. And the precedent I am discussing is apparently whether or not posting a 'gif' image is assault, regardless of intent, which you are implying this case would claim. Please see my other comment, the one(and the paragraph) talking about 'kittens'. Explain to me the difference between this specific case and that one? How about those gifs which tell you to stare at the optical illusion, and after an arbitrary amount of time, show a terrifying skeleton. Is it a crime to post that without sufficient warning?(assuming it hurts someone psychologically - please apply this assumption to all of the following hypotheticals) Those would never 'go viral' if they contained warnings, obviously, and could be extremely and permanently damaging to certain people with relevant psychological conditions. If it isn't a crime to share those images, is it a crime to post them on an anxiety subreddit? If not, is it a crime to post them on an anxiety subreddit, with intention to trigger panic attacks, or similar, in their users? Is it a crime to email those to a person who enjoys optical illusions, has severe panic disorder and ptsd, and several heart conditions? how about with the intent to kill them? Does intent dictate criminality here? If not, what makes it criminal? Number of people affected by a given condition? Please continue down-voting each of my replies(so I am discouraged from proving my argument) and assume whatever titles are associated with that sort of behavior. Edit: Also worth noting that getting convicted is mostly irrelevant to my argument. I am trying to bring attention to the burden this sort of thing could put on a legal system, especially if it was 'weaponized,' as well as the burden of legal fees, time, and negative publicity, false claims like these would have on the defendant.