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Yeah, I would take jails over Docker as well, but systemd is just so much better, (more so than jails over Docker in my opinion), than init, that I am hoping fo

Yeah, I would take jails over Docker as well, but systemd is just so much better, (more so than jails over Docker in my opinion), than init, that I am hoping for a better tool to come about, the underlying LXC technology appears to be solid.

tannhaeuser 10y ago
For me, systemd is another reason to move away from Linux actually (or at least not deepen the dependency on Linux-exclusive features). It's not that I think systemd is bad per se, it's just way too monolithic and heavy for my taste (and binary logs and ini files are a no-go for me; if I wanted that, I'd be using Windows). Btw. the BSDs don't use SysV init but the somewhat saner/simpler BSD init (with full-blown service managers as optional add-ons in ports).
- AsyncAwait 10y ago
  systemd is not for everyone, but for me is way saner than any other init system, including BSDs init. Writing service files for systemd just makes sense in my mind. There are other aspects for why I do not recommend BSD to anyone who asks, most importantly their licensing and their general stance towards software freedoms, to the point where they are smug and happy when somebody violates the GPL, because "at least they get more users", as well as their relatively little upstream contribution to ZFS despite riding that train as fBSDs signature feature for years, but that's a different discussion altogether.
  - tannhaeuser 10y ago
    I don't know about BSD being smug and the other things you say. This sounds to me like what could be perceived when reading clickbaity and polarizing articles of the "Linux vs BSD" variety. I'm seeing BSD as a welcome choice/alternative to Linux that I would hate to loose.
    - AsyncAwait 10y ago
      Yeah, I don't want BSDs to disappear as well, (not likely), but watching this, (among other things) definitely left a bad taste[1]. 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cofKxtIO3Is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cofKxtIO3Is

tannhaeuser 10y ago

For me, systemd is another reason to move away from Linux actually (or at least not deepen the dependency on Linux-exclusive features). It's not that I think systemd is bad per se, it's just way too monolithic and heavy for my taste (and binary logs and ini files are a no-go for me; if I wanted that, I'd be using Windows). Btw. the BSDs don't use SysV init but the somewhat saner/simpler BSD init (with full-blown service managers as optional add-ons in ports).

AsyncAwait 10y ago
systemd is not for everyone, but for me is way saner than any other init system, including BSDs init. Writing service files for systemd just makes sense in my mind. There are other aspects for why I do not recommend BSD to anyone who asks, most importantly their licensing and their general stance towards software freedoms, to the point where they are smug and happy when somebody violates the GPL, because "at least they get more users", as well as their relatively little upstream contribution to ZFS despite riding that train as fBSDs signature feature for years, but that's a different discussion altogether.
- tannhaeuser 10y ago
  I don't know about BSD being smug and the other things you say. This sounds to me like what could be perceived when reading clickbaity and polarizing articles of the "Linux vs BSD" variety. I'm seeing BSD as a welcome choice/alternative to Linux that I would hate to loose.
  - AsyncAwait 10y ago
    Yeah, I don't want BSDs to disappear as well, (not likely), but watching this, (among other things) definitely left a bad taste[1]. 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cofKxtIO3Is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cofKxtIO3Is