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Count me amongst the unwilling! I can't wait for a magic bullet or pill that gives me the results I want without trying. I'm supposed to feel guilty about that

by nsxwolf 10y ago

Count me amongst the unwilling! I can't wait for a magic bullet or pill that gives me the results I want without trying. I'm supposed to feel guilty about that admission, but I do not.

bananabill 10y ago
it's called cosmetic surgery
- Jtsummers 10y ago
  That will only give you the appearance of fitness, not the effect of it. You'll still be huffing and puffing as you climb the flights of stairs to the office the day the elevator breaks, though being lighter through liposuction will help reduce the difficulty of the task.
- mulmen 10y ago
  What's the going rate on an intelligence implant these days? Having cosmetic surgery to overcome a lack of exercise is like moving your fuel gauge to "Full" so you ever have to buy gas.
droopyEyelids 10y ago
It's an interesting idea. Personally, I wonder how much of the benefit comes from facing and overcoming that unpleasantness. I feel that must be a part of how exercise engages your mind as well as your body.
- mulmen 10y ago
  I think considering exercise to be unpleasant is similar to considering math "too hard". It's a matter of attitude and perspective. You are probably right that there are benefits from overcoming that perspective but it's unfortunate that we continue to perpetuate the perception that these positive experiences are somehow negatives in the moment. We should really improve our internal marketing campaigns.
mej10 10y ago
The problem with not exercising for HN-types is that your brain suffers because of it. Your cognition isn't as good as it could be and will decline faster than if you exercised. Also more likely to develop neuronal disorders later in life, and those aren't very fun. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurobiological_effects_of_physical_exercise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurobiological_effects_of_phy...
- ouid 10y ago
  right, he would like a pill which does this.
  - nsxwolf 10y ago
    Exactly!
- DanielleMolloy 10y ago
  Does this take into account the time she could have spent learning new programming skills? Serious question. With pre- and post phases (changing clothes, shower) and the post-sluggishness, the exercise that you are doing in your free time just to do exercise can be quite an extra time investment. (no anti-exercise opinion here, but I find it better to combine exercise with commuting or real hobbies)
  - mulmen 10y ago
    I think you are drawing a false dilemma here. Exercise is absolutely critical to mental and physical health, there are no substitutes. Studying and exercise should be balanced as time allows but exercise should never be eliminated. Studying without exercise would be like studying by only skimming text. It's really not worth the time if you can't understand and retain what you are studying.
  - 2muchcoffeeman 10y ago
    I think the problem with trying to mix exercise with hobbies or commuting is that they don't really satisfy the same physical goals. Hobbies are for fun. Commuting is for travel. They may involve physical exertion, but they repeat the same movement patterns over and over. You don't exercise all your muscles. E.g rock climbing is hard but doesn't exercise any pushing movements. Which can become a problem when only one set of muscles is trained. Good exercise will not only make you fitter in a generally useful way, but help you fix problems like flexibility or posture. I.E we are trying to fix your weaknesses, not just cater to your strengths.
ouid 10y ago
I too desire this, I feel guilty about it, but less so after this comment. Thank you.
magic_beans 10y ago
Your body WANTS to move around. There has to be some sport or physical activity you enjoy! Soccer? Badmitton? A game of tag? Land Quidditch?
- quakenul 10y ago
  Land Quidditch sounds awfully close to something something my mom would have made up, when trying to market something healthy but inherently boring to us as kids. Don't play with my heart like this. The disappointment is too real.
  - zingermc 10y ago
    Many colleges in the US have (land) Quidditch teams. I've heard they sometimes have horrific injuries because the people on the team are not conventionally athletic.
- nsxwolf 10y ago
  My brain doesn't want to move my body around. If my body enjoys it, it certainly has never told me it does. Quite the opposite.
  - __jal 10y ago
    Ditto. Some people simply don't understand that other people hate exercise. It is extremely unpleasant for me. I get that other people enjoy it. Wish I did, but I hate it. The only choice of activity that makes physical work bearable for me is some sort of tangible payoff - I can work hard building things. Some of my heaviest physical activity is carpentry and light construction. I still don't enjoy it, but working towards making something is enough payoff to make it worth it. For this reason, I do quite a bit more of that sort of thing than is probably normal for a desk jockey. I also walk about two miles a day, just two and from work. For whatever reason, my brain wiring doesn't see "vaguely feeling a bit better in three months, maybe living an extra year or two when everything is falling apart anyway" as sufficient. The puritans can start on with the you-weren't-raised-right judgements now. I've heard it before.
coldtea 10y ago
>I'm supposed to feel guilty about that admission, but I do not. It's not the admission that's problematic. It's that, until said magic bullet is found, this mindset leads a person nowhere health wise...
- nsxwolf 10y ago
  Maybe if there was a health reward of some kind every time you exercised then it would be different. But there's nothing. I just can't stick with doing something for weeks and weeks and weeks before I realize that I'm losing a small amount of weight, or able to perform a bit better than when I started.
  - other_herbert 10y ago
    It's called strava for running or cycling... It will show your progres on the same routes or over common segments... You don't even have to share that info with other people if you don't want to
  - coldtea 10y ago
    >I just can't stick with doing something for weeks and weeks and weeks before I realize that I'm losing a small amount of weight, or able to perform a bit better than when I started. Hard or not, that's a bad attitude in life in general. Instant gratification seldom got people places...
    - nsxwolf 10y ago
      I can think of very few other things with such poor reward systems. When I start washing dishes, I start seeing clean dishes immediately. Even if I have hundreds of dishes to wash, I can feel good about that first clean dish.
      - coldtea 10y ago
        >I can think of very few other things with such poor reward systems. Anything important has a "poor reward system". General education for one. Better eating. Advancing at a career. Playing a musical instrument.
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by nsxwolf 10y ago

Count me amongst the unwilling! I can't wait for a magic bullet or pill that gives me the results I want without trying. I'm supposed to feel guilty about that admission, but I do not.

bananabill 10y ago

it's called cosmetic surgery

Jtsummers 10y ago
That will only give you the appearance of fitness, not the effect of it. You'll still be huffing and puffing as you climb the flights of stairs to the office the day the elevator breaks, though being lighter through liposuction will help reduce the difficulty of the task.
mulmen 10y ago
What's the going rate on an intelligence implant these days? Having cosmetic surgery to overcome a lack of exercise is like moving your fuel gauge to "Full" so you ever have to buy gas.

droopyEyelids 10y ago

It's an interesting idea. Personally, I wonder how much of the benefit comes from facing and overcoming that unpleasantness. I feel that must be a part of how exercise engages your mind as well as your body.

mulmen 10y ago
I think considering exercise to be unpleasant is similar to considering math "too hard". It's a matter of attitude and perspective. You are probably right that there are benefits from overcoming that perspective but it's unfortunate that we continue to perpetuate the perception that these positive experiences are somehow negatives in the moment. We should really improve our internal marketing campaigns.

mej10 10y ago

The problem with not exercising for HN-types is that your brain suffers because of it. Your cognition isn't as good as it could be and will decline faster than if you exercised. Also more likely to develop neuronal disorders later in life, and those aren't very fun. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurobiological_effects_of_physical_exercise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurobiological_effects_of_phy...

ouid 10y ago
right, he would like a pill which does this.
- nsxwolf 10y ago
  Exactly!
DanielleMolloy 10y ago
Does this take into account the time she could have spent learning new programming skills? Serious question. With pre- and post phases (changing clothes, shower) and the post-sluggishness, the exercise that you are doing in your free time just to do exercise can be quite an extra time investment. (no anti-exercise opinion here, but I find it better to combine exercise with commuting or real hobbies)
- mulmen 10y ago
  I think you are drawing a false dilemma here. Exercise is absolutely critical to mental and physical health, there are no substitutes. Studying and exercise should be balanced as time allows but exercise should never be eliminated. Studying without exercise would be like studying by only skimming text. It's really not worth the time if you can't understand and retain what you are studying.
- 2muchcoffeeman 10y ago
  I think the problem with trying to mix exercise with hobbies or commuting is that they don't really satisfy the same physical goals. Hobbies are for fun. Commuting is for travel. They may involve physical exertion, but they repeat the same movement patterns over and over. You don't exercise all your muscles. E.g rock climbing is hard but doesn't exercise any pushing movements. Which can become a problem when only one set of muscles is trained. Good exercise will not only make you fitter in a generally useful way, but help you fix problems like flexibility or posture. I.E we are trying to fix your weaknesses, not just cater to your strengths.

ouid 10y ago

I too desire this, I feel guilty about it, but less so after this comment. Thank you.

magic_beans 10y ago

Your body WANTS to move around. There has to be some sport or physical activity you enjoy! Soccer? Badmitton? A game of tag? Land Quidditch?

quakenul 10y ago
Land Quidditch sounds awfully close to something something my mom would have made up, when trying to market something healthy but inherently boring to us as kids. Don't play with my heart like this. The disappointment is too real.
- zingermc 10y ago
  Many colleges in the US have (land) Quidditch teams. I've heard they sometimes have horrific injuries because the people on the team are not conventionally athletic.
nsxwolf 10y ago
My brain doesn't want to move my body around. If my body enjoys it, it certainly has never told me it does. Quite the opposite.
- __jal 10y ago
  Ditto. Some people simply don't understand that other people hate exercise. It is extremely unpleasant for me. I get that other people enjoy it. Wish I did, but I hate it. The only choice of activity that makes physical work bearable for me is some sort of tangible payoff - I can work hard building things. Some of my heaviest physical activity is carpentry and light construction. I still don't enjoy it, but working towards making something is enough payoff to make it worth it. For this reason, I do quite a bit more of that sort of thing than is probably normal for a desk jockey. I also walk about two miles a day, just two and from work. For whatever reason, my brain wiring doesn't see "vaguely feeling a bit better in three months, maybe living an extra year or two when everything is falling apart anyway" as sufficient. The puritans can start on with the you-weren't-raised-right judgements now. I've heard it before.

coldtea 10y ago

>I'm supposed to feel guilty about that admission, but I do not. It's not the admission that's problematic. It's that, until said magic bullet is found, this mindset leads a person nowhere health wise...

nsxwolf 10y ago
Maybe if there was a health reward of some kind every time you exercised then it would be different. But there's nothing. I just can't stick with doing something for weeks and weeks and weeks before I realize that I'm losing a small amount of weight, or able to perform a bit better than when I started.
- other_herbert 10y ago
  It's called strava for running or cycling... It will show your progres on the same routes or over common segments... You don't even have to share that info with other people if you don't want to
- coldtea 10y ago
  >I just can't stick with doing something for weeks and weeks and weeks before I realize that I'm losing a small amount of weight, or able to perform a bit better than when I started. Hard or not, that's a bad attitude in life in general. Instant gratification seldom got people places...
  - nsxwolf 10y ago
    I can think of very few other things with such poor reward systems. When I start washing dishes, I start seeing clean dishes immediately. Even if I have hundreds of dishes to wash, I can feel good about that first clean dish.
    - coldtea 10y ago
      >I can think of very few other things with such poor reward systems. Anything important has a "poor reward system". General education for one. Better eating. Advancing at a career. Playing a musical instrument.

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