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David Rockefeller has died
- charia 10y agoObligatory mention of Titan, in mine and many other people's opinion, the best and most comprehensive biography of the original John D. Rockefeller. (The grandfather of the David Rockefeller who passed away today.) An extremely well put together balanced analysis of John D. Rockefeller, Standard Oil and general history of the Gilded Age. http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16121.Titan http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16121.Titan
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- selimthegrim 10y agoI think the History Channel had a good show about the lives of Rockefeller, Carnegie, et al. and how they intersected
- reckoner2 10y agoI finished this a few nights ago. What a book. It took about 4 times as long to read as Steve Jobs, but it was absolutely worth it. Someone like John D. Rockefeller really is one in a billion. Highly Recommended.
- kolbe 10y ago[fake news article deleted]
- thegeomaster 10y agoThat's a hoax: http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/rockefeller.asp http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/rockefeller.asp.
- bhouston 10y agoThat isn't a reliable website. But if true that is incredibly wasteful, and wrong.
- kolbe 10y agoFake news. I remembered it as real from last year.
- jlebrech 10y agoFake news has no trouble convincing people a rich guy is evil.
- kolbe 10y agoThey prey on prejudices. In my case, all I remember is seeing it on reddit a long time ago. I don't think I even read the article, but I remembered the headline. Then, when I saw he died, I just googled it real quick, picked out the closest link, and reposted AQAP.
- jlebrech 10y agopeople hate the 1% as much as anyone else. i'm he's had plenty of time to do evil tho.
- sparkling 10y agoThere is not a single credible source for these heart transplant stories. In fact, not even 1 transplant is document anywhere except on various fake news outlets.
- kolanos 10y ago"Some even believe we [Rockefeller family] are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure -- One World, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." - David Rockefeller, Memoirs, page 405
- TeMPOraL 10y agoAfter spending some time around people from various anti-science/government/vaccination circles I realized that if the New World Order is what they describe it is, then I'd love to join it. At least those NWO conspirators seem to have a clue.
- mikeash 10y agoI've seen a lot of people argue that this is ultimately what makes conspiracy theories so attractive in the first place. It's much more comforting to believe that everything is under control and part of a deliberate plan, even if controlled by people you don't like as part of a plan that works against you, than it is to believe it's all just a bunch of random stuff happening.
- MawNicker 10y agoIt can't be both? Isn't that the least comforting? Not that it proves anything; People often believe what they fear is true. All you need to know is that MKUltra existed. The people responsible were never brought to justice. Maybe some of you have loose morals but I could never join this shit.
- Florin_Andrei 10y ago> It can't be both? But that introduces complexity in your thought process. Most people are far too lazy for that.
- markwaldron 10y ago"Their sister, Abby Rockefeller Mauze, known as “Babs,” died in 1976." All the brothers have their contributions listed, but she doesn't? According to Wikipedia, Abby Rockefeller Mauze preferred to stay out of the spotlight, but was still a benefactor of the MOMA, YWCA, NY Hospital, NY Zoological Society, and the Asia Society.
- bostonpete 10y ago> All the brothers have their contributions listed, but she doesn't? Maybe related to this detail (also from Wikipedia)...? "Unlike her famous brothers, she always remained out of the public eye"
- AnimalMuppet 10y agoThat doesn't mean that she didn't do anything. It doesn't even mean she didn't do anything worthy of note.
- sokoloff 10y agoBut it may mean that what she did do isn't well documented enough publicly for inclusion in Wikipedia.
- reckoner2 10y agoAll of the Rockefeller money was distributed by John D. Rockefeller Sr. directly to his children and grandchildren. While progressive in some aspects, he held the common at the time view that business matters were best left to men. This resulted in the men of the family receiving sizable ($billions) gifts, while the women mainly lived on allowances, and much smaller gifts. I'm sure this is part of it.
- peter303 10y agoThe third generation made the biggest impact in public affairs with governors and philanthropists. The first made all the money, the second was too small. Webrarely hear ofblater Rockefellers.
- paulpauper 10y agobarons of a century ago weren't as good at managing money as today's tech elite are...the Rockefeller fortune was split up too much
- selimthegrim 10y agoEvery resident of New York should thank him and Nelson Rockefeller for tag teaming to take down Robert Moses.
- Exofunctor 10y agoI am, by most metrics, an ardent globalist; I advocate absolute free trade and absolute free movement. However, it's not very hard to recognize that many people's definition of globalism effectively includes such things as forced immigration, cultural erasure, and overburdening of welfare states, which are conducive to increased conflict rather than increased cooperation.
- oh_sigh 10y agoIf 100M people from Africa/ME showed up in Europe, you think this would be a good thing for the world?
- unityByFreedom 10y agoOver a long period of time? Why not. America is nearly 100% immigrants.
- bordercases 10y agoMost of them were White Christians for the longest time. Are people of that even temperament that you can't see differences between them?
- unityByFreedom 10y agoCertainly I see differences in people's culture. I don't damn them for it.
- bordercases 10y agoOne can move for economic opportunities or cultural opportunities. The two can co-occur but they are different needs. If we're talking about integration of Muslims, the ones who aren't soft on their own beliefs, i.e. not raised in the cosmopolitan West, are likely moving simply for economic opportunity or to avoid danger, not necessarily because they like the West. Given that in most countries that are purely Muslim have reason to resent the West and see their struggle as being in part ideological, as Western materialist culture is antithetical to Islamic theocracy, should we not be a little bit wary? I don't think culture is the only variable, but even if it was, there is still cause for concern.
- CriticalSection 10y ago> The Osteopathic profession was the only group that was organized enough to survive the Medical Guild's purge of non-Rockefeller-approved approaches to medicine. What? The Medical Guild purged (almost) all of the quacks and snake oil salesman out of medicine, and aimed American medicine to be directed by the scientific method and biology. This was a good thing. You're right, most of the quacks, snake handlers, anti-vaccine charlatans and witch doctors were purged, thankfully. But the osteopathic so-called "alternative" medicine practitioners were well-organized enough, and legally and politically savvy enough to survive. People on this web site tend to look favorably upon reason, the scientific method and so forth. Thus, I think they will look favorably upon this work of Rockefeller, and shed few tears for the faith healers, quacks, acupuncturists etc. which people are still free to go to, but which my tax and health plan dollars are (mostly) not going to, thankfully. Then you mix in that primary care doctors don't spend enough time with their patients nowadays. This may be true, in fact, it probably is. It has absolutely nothing to do however with whether people are getting rational, scientific treatment tested through medical trials, or whether they're going into some voodoo ritual with some quack.
- liber8 10y agoIt's not that osteopaths were so well organized. It's that John D. was a devoted Osteopath for most of his life. If you haven't read Titan, it's a fascinating bio.
- CriticalSection 10y ago> John D. was a devoted Osteopath for most of his life. If you haven't read Titan, it's a fascinating bio. That's interesting, I didn't know that. More than osteopathy, the similar yet different practice of chiropractic is a better example of a legally and politically well-organized "alternative medicine". Through legal ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilk_v._American_Medical_Ass'n https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilk_v._American_Medical_Ass'n ) and political pressure from the 1970s to the 1990s, they got the American Medical Association to dissolve their committee on quackery, rewrite their medical ethics rules and so forth.
- Dowwie 10y agoMy family (incl german wirehaired pointer) got to enjoy Little Long Pond in Seal Harbor because of David Rockefeller. The Rockefellers own a tremendous estate in Mount Desert Island.
- notsofastmister 10y agoI am a bit more on the pro-conspiracy side of the spectrum but good sources are important. According to the New York Times in 2002, David Rockefeller was the banker of the worst leaders of the world while expanding internationally the Chase Manhattan Bank. "He spent much of his career at Chase doing business with tyrants -- paying homage to oil-rich dictators, sitting through long meetings with the Chinese perpetrators of the Cultural Revolution (an associate once handed over a suitcase with $50,000 in cash to the Chinese so Rockefeller could have a meeting with their ambassador), holding court with Soviet party bosses. The contacts often led to profitable deals for Chase. They benefited the ruling cliques in those countries. But in ways he is oblivious of even now, Rockefeller was soiled by his close embraces with these thugs. While the forces of democracy squared off with the forces of authoritarianism, Rockefeller was perpetually in the room with whoever happened to be in power." That's enough for me to think he's a horrible monster, but what do I know, I'm just into conspiracy theories... Between him and kissinger, it would be tough to figure out who knew more war criminals. [0] http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/20/books/review/david-rockefellers-memoirs-born-to-be-mild.html http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/20/books/review/david-rockefe...
- pdxandi 10y agoJust wondering if you've read Confessions of an Economic Hitman. You may feel better knowing that not all of these conspiracies are crazy. Though reading about economic hit men may make you more paranoid; it's a dark, ugly world.
- notsofastmister 10y agoHe probably wasn't too far from the disgusting coup against Salvador Allende on the 9/11/1973, organized by the CIA. From the guardian : "But the very name of Allende was anathema to the extreme Right in Chile, to certain powerful corporations (notably ITT, Pepsi Cola and the Chase Manhattan Bank) which did business in Chile and the United States, and to the CIA." [0] "He [David Rockerfeller] was both chairman and chief executive of Chase Manhattan from 1969 to 1980 and remained chairman until 1981." [1] [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/feb/24/pinochet.bookextracts https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/feb/24/pinochet.booke... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rockefeller https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rockefeller
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- laichzeit0 10y agoThe primary goal of Islam, according to its doctrine, is to bring the law of Allah (known as Sharia) to all people on earth. Sharia is the right way to live, and all people should be subject to it. Please explain how you plan to "live together" when there are people who are actively pursuing an ideology that in no way, shape or form can be altered because it is the actual, literal, word of God himself and it must be implemented. It's not even up for debate, because it does not follow reason. It is a dogmatic prime directive to be carried out. Thus, "learning to live together on the same planet" is a fool's errand if not everyone can agree that that is an allowable first principle. Islam clearly does not allow it as a first principle. I mean this isn't like some kind of subculture and you have people minding their own business and saying "that's cool bro I'm just gonna practice my religion here in peace and we can mutually coexist". That is not the will of Allah.
- unityByFreedom 10y ago(1) Not all Muslims believe that everyone needs to follow Sharia. I imagine you know this. (2) Christianity is dogmatic too in the sense that it doesn't accept other religions. If you're not Christian, you're not saved. > Thus, "learning to live together on the same planet" is a fool's errand if not everyone can agree that that is an allowable first principle. Islam clearly does not allow it as a first principle. I'm sure you don't mean this as literally as you write it. Obviously we've already advanced to learn to live together quite well over thousands of years. How we continue to do that is perhaps where we disagree slightly, but I think you would agree that, while there are still tigers in the forest, they need not all be killed simply since one will kill you if he sees you. Please stop acting like all Muslims are a threat. It's simply not true, and you only help ISIS' recruiting when you make Muslims feel unwelcome. America isn't going to deport all Muslims and you're going to have to learn to interact with them whether you like it or not.
- vcryan 10y agoSharia is the codification of the laws of Islam to make it easier for Muslims who want to live according to those laws to follow the laws. Without such a codification it is difficult to know what is a religious law and what is a tradition (for example). It is an absurd notion that Muslims want non-Muslims to live according to Sharia... it doesn't make sense. If you are not Muslim... why would you live according to such laws?
- manojr 10y agoRIP, Condolences to his Family and Friends
- kevando 10y ago>In 2008 Rockefeller gave $100 million to his alma mater, Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts. I have to agree with Malcom Gladwell on this... Of all the ways to donate $100M, OF ALL THE WAYS
- agentgt 10y agoI have to agree. That amount of money could have greatly helped a majority of the black historic colleges that so badly need the money. Of course if you think that is bad someone recently just gave $400 million (more covered here: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/06/05/400-million-gift-harvard-sets-debate-about-philanthropy-wealthy-institutions https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/06/05/400-million-g...). Even Gates gave $15 million circa 1996. This is was of course before he went into full philanthropy mode [1]. I'm sure he wouldn't do that now. [1]: http://www.nytimes.com/1996/10/30/us/gates-of-microsoft-gives-15-million-to-harvard.html http://www.nytimes.com/1996/10/30/us/gates-of-microsoft-give...
- reckoner2 10y agoI agree that the $400 million seems ridiculous. But it's interesting that you mention black colleges, because David Rockefeller's grandfather started the General Education Board [0] - one of the first and most important factors in developing black education in the United States. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Education_Board https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Education_Board
- GCA10 10y agoI may be alone on this one, but I'm enchanted by David Rockefeller's long-ago crusade to create an "electronic Rolodex" of the 150,000 people he met in the course of his business career. The dude nearly invented LinkedIn! Of course, he forgot to allow access to anyone else, which limited the value of his efforts. And boasting about 150,000 isn't quite what it used to be. (More like an Ozymandias claim, in fact.) Anyway, some more thoughts about it are here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgeanders/2017/03/20/he-knew-150000-people-the-tycoon-who-predated-social-media/#bf9b95d6fd0d https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgeanders/2017/03/20/he-knew...
- GFischer 10y agoMy father met a top exec (later president) of Toyota in the 80s, he came to my house and met our dog. Some time later we saw him writing on a little black notebook. A decade later, the exec invited my father, and during the dinner conversation he asked about his children and dog by name... that was pretty impressive, and an example of how to manage relationships. LinkedIn doesn't (yet) give you that kind of information (I guess some good CRMs do?)
- mrtri 10y agorockefeller is one of the families that created,control, own the federal reserve http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-federal-reserve-cartel-the-eight-families/25080 http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-federal-reserve-cartel-the-... this cartel is behind many wars, false flags to make the government need more money for weapons, so they would borrow it from the federal reserve.
- reckoner2 10y agoGlobalresearch also publishes 9/11 truther articles and chem-trail articles. They are not a valid source.
- Sabinus 10y agoDid Rockefeller talk at all about how much his huge income was taxed? While I'm sure his philanthropic giving was researched and generous, I'm wondering what the benefits of those billions would have been if part of the Medicare program. Did he support the rich giving more to the state? It is the institution tasked with looking the citizens, after all.
- beegeezuz 10y agoCongratulations to every one, let's drink to that!