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Sweden famously deregulated their taxi industry. American taxi regulations are awful--I can't compare them to other countries, but they're terrible in an absolu

Sweden famously deregulated their taxi industry. American taxi regulations are awful--I can't compare them to other countries, but they're terrible in an absolute sense, and they vary widely by city. In New York, they even change depending on where you are and what color the taxi is (yellow ones and green ones have different rules). So all these city-by-city variations become a big diseconomy of scale.

emodendroket 10y ago
Having to comply with tons of different rules on a per-state or even per-municipality basis is characteristic of the entire US system, though.
1024core 10y ago
The reason for the US' horrible state of affairs: corruption. Ever since regulation of the taxi industry started, the 'players' in each city decided to use this artificial constraint to enrich themselves. Medallions (the right to drive a cab in a city) were doled out to the politically connected, who, in turn, rented them out to the actual workers (drivers) for a tidy sum. It was a great scam. If there's one positive thing about Uber, it's that they brought an end to this medallion monopoly.
- emodendroket 10y ago
  Come on; that's too simple. Unregulated gypsy cabs present a real risk to people.
  - dagw 10y ago
    The medallion system helps create gypsy cabs. If starting a legal and licensed taxi service just required filing the same type of paperwork as any other similar company, and becoming a regulated taxi driver was more like becoming a truck driver you'd probably see a lot less gypsy cabs.
    - emodendroket 10y ago
      I'd argue there's also an interest in not filling the streets with excess cab capacity.
      - galdosdi 10y ago
        Absolutely agree. Since Uber and friends, congestion has become worse in NYC. However, a simple toll would be fairer, as it would treat all cars equally, regardless of whether they are or are not taxis
        emodendroket 10y ago
        I don't think it's "fairer" to treat personal and commercial traffic the same.
      - __jal 10y ago
        Yep. San Francisco has been utterly inundated. The last estimate I saw was ~48,000 more vehicles from the app services. Most of those are additional, because they are coming in to the city to drive (e.g., the drivers don't live here). Important to keep in mind that that is not only a lot of cars for SF, but also that they aren't just driving a bit and parking. They're driving and driving (and driving and driving), when they're not blocking traffic picking up or dropping off. In urban areas there are good reasons for restrictions on numbers.
    - galdosdi 10y ago
      In NYC, that's exactly how it works, just pass a simple test and do some paperwork, and you can drive a cab. Medallions only restrict cabs that are permitted to take street hails in lower manhattan -- as long as you don't do that, there's no limitation on numbers of cars. Uber and related apps are a bit overrated in terms of their "innovation." You see, Uber-like "radio dispatch" services have existed in the NYC area for decades, but they used regular phone voice calls, not apps, which was slightly less convenient, I guess, but barely. It was not really qualitatively different IMHO (you waited about the same amount of time, and have about the same amount of certainty about the fare and whether they'll show up.). In fact, it could arguably be easier, as you didn't have to sign up for an account, download an app, set up payment method ahead of time, you just dialed a phone number The only real innovation ridesharing apps have brought IMHO, are carpooling options like UberPOOL, Via, etc. This was not as practical to do before apps that could automate the dispatching and matching involved
dagw 10y ago
American taxi regulations are awful But that is a quirk of the current American taxi system, not something inherent to the industry.
- ExactoKnight 10y ago
  It's actually pretty widespread. If you think they're bad here, taxis are even more entrenched in Europe.

emodendroket 10y ago

Having to comply with tons of different rules on a per-state or even per-municipality basis is characteristic of the entire US system, though.

1024core 10y ago

The reason for the US' horrible state of affairs: corruption. Ever since regulation of the taxi industry started, the 'players' in each city decided to use this artificial constraint to enrich themselves. Medallions (the right to drive a cab in a city) were doled out to the politically connected, who, in turn, rented them out to the actual workers (drivers) for a tidy sum. It was a great scam. If there's one positive thing about Uber, it's that they brought an end to this medallion monopoly.

emodendroket 10y ago
Come on; that's too simple. Unregulated gypsy cabs present a real risk to people.
- dagw 10y ago
  The medallion system helps create gypsy cabs. If starting a legal and licensed taxi service just required filing the same type of paperwork as any other similar company, and becoming a regulated taxi driver was more like becoming a truck driver you'd probably see a lot less gypsy cabs.
  - emodendroket 10y ago
    I'd argue there's also an interest in not filling the streets with excess cab capacity.
    - galdosdi 10y ago
      Absolutely agree. Since Uber and friends, congestion has become worse in NYC. However, a simple toll would be fairer, as it would treat all cars equally, regardless of whether they are or are not taxis
      - emodendroket 10y ago
        I don't think it's "fairer" to treat personal and commercial traffic the same.
    - __jal 10y ago
      Yep. San Francisco has been utterly inundated. The last estimate I saw was ~48,000 more vehicles from the app services. Most of those are additional, because they are coming in to the city to drive (e.g., the drivers don't live here). Important to keep in mind that that is not only a lot of cars for SF, but also that they aren't just driving a bit and parking. They're driving and driving (and driving and driving), when they're not blocking traffic picking up or dropping off. In urban areas there are good reasons for restrictions on numbers.
  - galdosdi 10y ago
    In NYC, that's exactly how it works, just pass a simple test and do some paperwork, and you can drive a cab. Medallions only restrict cabs that are permitted to take street hails in lower manhattan -- as long as you don't do that, there's no limitation on numbers of cars. Uber and related apps are a bit overrated in terms of their "innovation." You see, Uber-like "radio dispatch" services have existed in the NYC area for decades, but they used regular phone voice calls, not apps, which was slightly less convenient, I guess, but barely. It was not really qualitatively different IMHO (you waited about the same amount of time, and have about the same amount of certainty about the fare and whether they'll show up.). In fact, it could arguably be easier, as you didn't have to sign up for an account, download an app, set up payment method ahead of time, you just dialed a phone number The only real innovation ridesharing apps have brought IMHO, are carpooling options like UberPOOL, Via, etc. This was not as practical to do before apps that could automate the dispatching and matching involved

dagw 10y ago

American taxi regulations are awful But that is a quirk of the current American taxi system, not something inherent to the industry.

ExactoKnight 10y ago
It's actually pretty widespread. If you think they're bad here, taxis are even more entrenched in Europe.