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Nothing against wood, really. But if you've been to the UK, you should agree that the unmaintained, not-properly-fitted, wooden frames that they use in most old

Nothing against wood, really. But if you've been to the UK, you should agree that the unmaintained, not-properly-fitted, wooden frames that they use in most old windows are just crap. They let in huge amounts of wind, cold, etc, through the unsealed seams. Anything that improved that would be 10 times better, regardless of the yellowing, etc.

grey-area 10y ago
Most wooden sash (I assume you're talking about wooden sash) were properly fitted at the time, but are victorian or edwardian and therefore over 100 years old. They've done pretty well considering their heritage. New wooden sash with double glazing are better IMO than plastic windows - as the parent noted, plastic doesn't do well long term when exposed to light.
- poooogles 10y ago
  >New wooden sash with double glazing are better IMO than plastic windows Hugely, I think it's a testament to the design that they still look great today. Double glazed wooden sash windows are however much pricier than a uPVC alternative which puts them out of reach of many.
- javiermaestro 10y ago
  So then, we all agree that the old (ancient) and unmaintained wood frames in the UK are crap. Cool! :) Really, I couldn't care less if they replaced the frames with wood or whatever, as long as they made sure that they were thermally good and avoid wasting all of the heat...
  - grey-area 10y ago
    No.
poooogles 10y ago
>you should agree that the unmaintained Agreed, but wasn't this also an issue with steel windows in the 60s? uPVC put in in the early 90s already looks crap (IMO).
m-i-l 10y ago
I had my sash windows refurbished a few years back, adding double glazing and draft proofing. They said the frames were the original wood from around 150 years ago, although they said the glass was from the post-war period (in common with most windows in London, given most were shattered at some point during the war). There's no way uPVC frames will last anything remotely approaching that amount of time.
javiermaestro 10y ago
So then, we all agree that the old (ancient) and unmaintained wood frames in the UK are crap. Cool! :) Really, I couldn't care less if they replaced the frames with wood or whatever, as long as they made sure that they were thermally good and avoid wasting all of the heat...

grey-area 10y ago

Most wooden sash (I assume you're talking about wooden sash) were properly fitted at the time, but are victorian or edwardian and therefore over 100 years old. They've done pretty well considering their heritage. New wooden sash with double glazing are better IMO than plastic windows - as the parent noted, plastic doesn't do well long term when exposed to light.

poooogles 10y ago
>New wooden sash with double glazing are better IMO than plastic windows Hugely, I think it's a testament to the design that they still look great today. Double glazed wooden sash windows are however much pricier than a uPVC alternative which puts them out of reach of many.
javiermaestro 10y ago
So then, we all agree that the old (ancient) and unmaintained wood frames in the UK are crap. Cool! :) Really, I couldn't care less if they replaced the frames with wood or whatever, as long as they made sure that they were thermally good and avoid wasting all of the heat...
- grey-area 10y ago
  No.

poooogles 10y ago

>you should agree that the unmaintained Agreed, but wasn't this also an issue with steel windows in the 60s? uPVC put in in the early 90s already looks crap (IMO).

m-i-l 10y ago

I had my sash windows refurbished a few years back, adding double glazing and draft proofing. They said the frames were the original wood from around 150 years ago, although they said the glass was from the post-war period (in common with most windows in London, given most were shattered at some point during the war). There's no way uPVC frames will last anything remotely approaching that amount of time.

javiermaestro 10y ago

So then, we all agree that the old (ancient) and unmaintained wood frames in the UK are crap. Cool! :) Really, I couldn't care less if they replaced the frames with wood or whatever, as long as they made sure that they were thermally good and avoid wasting all of the heat...