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That's a cop out. If they didn't have the means to deliver on their promises they shouldn't have made the claims. They took highly populist positions, complete

by whyleyc 10y ago

That's a cop out. If they didn't have the means to deliver on their promises they shouldn't have made the claims. They took highly populist positions, completely divorced from reality just to win votes, then shrugged their shoulders post-referendum when asked how they would be implemented.

chrisseaton 10y ago
But they didn't say 'we will'. It wasn't a promise. They said 'let's' - it was a suggestion of what they thought should be done. You've imagined the promise part, and you'd be foolish to accept it as a promise, because clearly the group did not have that authority.
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- cjrp 10y ago
  I don't see the group lobbying the Government to follow through on that "suggestion". If they believed strongly enough in the "suggestion" to put it on the side of a bus and in their leaflets, surely they should be trying to secure that £350m/week NHS funding as we speak?
  - chrisseaton 10y ago
    Yes that's true and that makes sense. That's the right question to ask - not 'why isn't this happening'. It's not happening because nobody with the authority to do it said they would.
    - urbanj 10y ago
      No. Brexit means Brexit, and the government is committed to fulfilling the will of the people. One of the things the people want is £350 million a weak for the NHS. This is what the people want and this it must be actioned. The will of the people must not be denied by the elites in Westminster. Anyone who doesn't agree with this is basically trying to deny the will of the people, and might even be considered to be a traitor.
- whyleyc 10y ago
  it was a suggestion of what they thought should be done ... you'd be foolish to accept it as a promise You're giving the Leave campaign a free pass on a technicality of language. I don't believe the 51.9% of voters who saw an emotive slogan on the side of a bus and in a 1001 tabloid headlines assumed this was a gentle suggestion. They thought this might actually be done. The Leave campaign knew emphatically it would not, but pushed it anyway because many voters care about the NHS and it was an easy way to win their votes. I don't think it's unreasonable to hold a political organisation to account on their policy positions. To not do so condemns us to live in the kind of post-truth swamp we're seeing unravel on the other side of the pond.
  - chrisseaton 10y ago
    > You're giving the Leave campaign a free pass on a technicality of language. I suppose that's probably right. I just don't like seeing snide throwaway remarks that when you think them, they aren't really exactly what the situation is. Like the Leave slogan, the snide remarks are also damaging to making sure everyone has a fair understanding of the true situation.

by whyleyc 10y ago

chrisseaton 10y ago

But they didn't say 'we will'. It wasn't a promise. They said 'let's' - it was a suggestion of what they thought should be done. You've imagined the promise part, and you'd be foolish to accept it as a promise, because clearly the group did not have that authority.

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cjrp 10y ago
I don't see the group lobbying the Government to follow through on that "suggestion". If they believed strongly enough in the "suggestion" to put it on the side of a bus and in their leaflets, surely they should be trying to secure that £350m/week NHS funding as we speak?
- chrisseaton 10y ago
  Yes that's true and that makes sense. That's the right question to ask - not 'why isn't this happening'. It's not happening because nobody with the authority to do it said they would.
  - urbanj 10y ago
    No. Brexit means Brexit, and the government is committed to fulfilling the will of the people. One of the things the people want is £350 million a weak for the NHS. This is what the people want and this it must be actioned. The will of the people must not be denied by the elites in Westminster. Anyone who doesn't agree with this is basically trying to deny the will of the people, and might even be considered to be a traitor.
whyleyc 10y ago
it was a suggestion of what they thought should be done ... you'd be foolish to accept it as a promise You're giving the Leave campaign a free pass on a technicality of language. I don't believe the 51.9% of voters who saw an emotive slogan on the side of a bus and in a 1001 tabloid headlines assumed this was a gentle suggestion. They thought this might actually be done. The Leave campaign knew emphatically it would not, but pushed it anyway because many voters care about the NHS and it was an easy way to win their votes. I don't think it's unreasonable to hold a political organisation to account on their policy positions. To not do so condemns us to live in the kind of post-truth swamp we're seeing unravel on the other side of the pond.
- chrisseaton 10y ago
  > You're giving the Leave campaign a free pass on a technicality of language. I suppose that's probably right. I just don't like seeing snide throwaway remarks that when you think them, they aren't really exactly what the situation is. Like the Leave slogan, the snide remarks are also damaging to making sure everyone has a fair understanding of the true situation.