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A good rule is just to buy Miele or high-end Bosch. Make sure it's made in Germany and sold in the German market. They have higher standards. I don't know if th

A good rule is just to buy Miele or high-end Bosch. Make sure it's made in Germany and sold in the German market. They have higher standards. I don't know if this is true for ovens, but with other appliances it's a good rule to follow. I can see an opening for Trump here. If he wants the US to be known for high quality, long-lasting products, he could differentiate US products from cheap and crappy Far East stuff. There is clearly a demand.

robin_reala 10y ago
How could Trump do anything about that?
- lawless123 10y ago
  He's going to Make Appliances Great Again! Don't ask for a plan though..
- redsummer 10y ago
  I doubt if he is, but it would be great if he did. What with his focus on manufacturing.
- revo13 10y ago
  This is a very un-republican thing to do, but as another poster mentioned, you could apply a tax/penalty/whatever to companies when their products are accepted into landfill sites. That would get passed on to consumers until it was cheaper to simply keep them out of landfills. Presumably your quality would go up in order to keep more of the profits of selling the units in the first place. Not sure it would work in reality, but an interesting idea that is actionable by the government. EDIT: typo
ff10 10y ago
Miele, Neff, Liebherr, this is my go to when I plan to keep stuff for a decade or more. There's even a few more smaller high end brands from Germany. I bought a used Miele Toploader from the 90s. Miele says new ones will be good for about 20 years. So I probably have some more years with that one. Plus timeless, simple design, exceptional quality and very good cleaning performance. Note that I live in Germany. When I looked at Miele vacuum prices in a Macy's in California I had to choke a little.
kerouanton 10y ago
I see two objections here. First, it's often more expensive than people can afford. Most relatives I know are "stuck" buying low-grade appliances/furniture just because they can't afford more, and they know they will have to replace it in 4-5 years. Second: fashion/mode/trend. I was surprised to see many people throwing functional appliances, computers and even furniture just because it was outdated, not trending. such as "My old cell phone still works but I'd pass for a retarded if I don't show up my latest iPhone". Same for furniture, curtains, chairs and tables that are still good, but people often change because they want to renew the appearance in their homes. Do many of you still use good'old wooden furniture of your grand-parents in your home? So, I'm not convinced the "50 years" model would be ideal for everything. Because human nature. A 10 years model would be great, imho.
- redsummer 10y ago
  A legally enforced 10 year rule would be great. Works for 10 years or your money back! I've got a mid-2007 iMac I'm still using. Great build quality. Unfortunately the latest macs seem gimmicky - thin iMacs and touchbar MacBooks etc.
  - kerouanton 10y ago
    I don't know if it's the case elsewhere, but for example in France there is a law enforcing a 10 year warranty for every building or repair on buildings. https://www.french-property.com/news/build_renovation_france/assurance_decennale_claim/ https://www.french-property.com/news/build_renovation_france... Apple aims at planned obsolescence. Those 2007 Macs are still reliable (I have one) but you can't upgrade to the latest OS, so you miss security patches... Same for IOS devices.
mannigfaltig 10y ago
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- lawless123 10y ago
  Especially when he seems to be removing such rules from auto manufacture.
bartread 10y ago
+1 to this. I bought a Miele vacuum cleaner in 2012 to replace a bagless Electrolux unit I'd had since I moved into my house. Yes, it was four times the price but it's more than four times the vacuum cleaner. E.g., the Electrolux couldn't handle sucking up plaster dust (I kid you not), and was an absolute nightmare to empty - you had to do it outside or you'd get dust everywhere. The Miele will suck up anything dry, is much quieter, much stronger, doesn't get tetchy about fine particles such as plaster dust, and doesn't make a mess when you change the bag inside (after experience with various bagless vacuums over the years I've come to the conclusion that they all, erm, suck... and not in the good way). My dishwasher and washing machine are Bosch and AEG respectively. I've had them both since 2010 and the only problem has been the filter pump crapping out on the washing machine in 2013 (which was annoying because it happened just after the warranty expired). Other than that neither of them shows any sign of giving out any time soon - the washing machine is direct drive and is still just as quiet as the day I installed it. No rust anywhere either. Again, they weren't cheap, and whilst a big part of me rails at spending relatively serious money on something as boring as household appliances it's absolutely been worth it, and has probably saved me cash over the longer term.
- PuffinBlue 10y ago
  Numatic[1] has always been my vacuum of choice. The best part is you can get spares. Hose cracks? £12 for a new one. Wheel breaks? £8 delivered. I bought expensive high end Miele's (washer and dryer) but they broke within 6 years and getting spares was crazy expensive and limited to just a couple places. The discussion here has revolved around paying more for better quality but something the repair tech opened my eyes too when my stuff failed is simply planning for failure. Others have pointed it out that everything will fail at some point, so you might as well buy something you can repair. That's lead me to change how I buy and landed me with a George vacuum, White-knight dryer and super common Hotpoint washer with readily available spares. This isn't to point out you should have done differently, just a different way to respond to what is an industry wide problem of planned obsolescence. [1]https://numatic.co.uk/ https://numatic.co.uk/
  - redsummer 10y ago
arjie 10y ago
It's all talk. This is why you should never ask someone "would you buy this?" When you're demoing your startup idea. Everyone will say yes. Say "I'll sell this to you for twenty bucks." And see the different song. Like all the people who chat shit about not having account support for their Google account. Tell them to get Google Apps and they all go quiet. Except for that one guy who complained about Google Search limiting. Which is reasonable. Almost anything is available for a price. None of you want to hear it, though. Ten thousand blogposts about how you like quality won't work so long as your revealed preferences are different.

robin_reala 10y ago

How could Trump do anything about that?

lawless123 10y ago
He's going to Make Appliances Great Again! Don't ask for a plan though..
redsummer 10y ago
I doubt if he is, but it would be great if he did. What with his focus on manufacturing.
revo13 10y ago
This is a very un-republican thing to do, but as another poster mentioned, you could apply a tax/penalty/whatever to companies when their products are accepted into landfill sites. That would get passed on to consumers until it was cheaper to simply keep them out of landfills. Presumably your quality would go up in order to keep more of the profits of selling the units in the first place. Not sure it would work in reality, but an interesting idea that is actionable by the government. EDIT: typo

ff10 10y ago

Miele, Neff, Liebherr, this is my go to when I plan to keep stuff for a decade or more. There's even a few more smaller high end brands from Germany. I bought a used Miele Toploader from the 90s. Miele says new ones will be good for about 20 years. So I probably have some more years with that one. Plus timeless, simple design, exceptional quality and very good cleaning performance. Note that I live in Germany. When I looked at Miele vacuum prices in a Macy's in California I had to choke a little.

kerouanton 10y ago

I see two objections here. First, it's often more expensive than people can afford. Most relatives I know are "stuck" buying low-grade appliances/furniture just because they can't afford more, and they know they will have to replace it in 4-5 years. Second: fashion/mode/trend. I was surprised to see many people throwing functional appliances, computers and even furniture just because it was outdated, not trending. such as "My old cell phone still works but I'd pass for a retarded if I don't show up my latest iPhone". Same for furniture, curtains, chairs and tables that are still good, but people often change because they want to renew the appearance in their homes. Do many of you still use good'old wooden furniture of your grand-parents in your home? So, I'm not convinced the "50 years" model would be ideal for everything. Because human nature. A 10 years model would be great, imho.

redsummer 10y ago
A legally enforced 10 year rule would be great. Works for 10 years or your money back! I've got a mid-2007 iMac I'm still using. Great build quality. Unfortunately the latest macs seem gimmicky - thin iMacs and touchbar MacBooks etc.
- kerouanton 10y ago
  I don't know if it's the case elsewhere, but for example in France there is a law enforcing a 10 year warranty for every building or repair on buildings. https://www.french-property.com/news/build_renovation_france/assurance_decennale_claim/ https://www.french-property.com/news/build_renovation_france... Apple aims at planned obsolescence. Those 2007 Macs are still reliable (I have one) but you can't upgrade to the latest OS, so you miss security patches... Same for IOS devices.

mannigfaltig 10y ago

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lawless123 10y ago
Especially when he seems to be removing such rules from auto manufacture.

bartread 10y ago

+1 to this. I bought a Miele vacuum cleaner in 2012 to replace a bagless Electrolux unit I'd had since I moved into my house. Yes, it was four times the price but it's more than four times the vacuum cleaner. E.g., the Electrolux couldn't handle sucking up plaster dust (I kid you not), and was an absolute nightmare to empty - you had to do it outside or you'd get dust everywhere. The Miele will suck up anything dry, is much quieter, much stronger, doesn't get tetchy about fine particles such as plaster dust, and doesn't make a mess when you change the bag inside (after experience with various bagless vacuums over the years I've come to the conclusion that they all, erm, suck... and not in the good way). My dishwasher and washing machine are Bosch and AEG respectively. I've had them both since 2010 and the only problem has been the filter pump crapping out on the washing machine in 2013 (which was annoying because it happened just after the warranty expired). Other than that neither of them shows any sign of giving out any time soon - the washing machine is direct drive and is still just as quiet as the day I installed it. No rust anywhere either. Again, they weren't cheap, and whilst a big part of me rails at spending relatively serious money on something as boring as household appliances it's absolutely been worth it, and has probably saved me cash over the longer term.

PuffinBlue 10y ago
Numatic[1] has always been my vacuum of choice. The best part is you can get spares. Hose cracks? £12 for a new one. Wheel breaks? £8 delivered. I bought expensive high end Miele's (washer and dryer) but they broke within 6 years and getting spares was crazy expensive and limited to just a couple places. The discussion here has revolved around paying more for better quality but something the repair tech opened my eyes too when my stuff failed is simply planning for failure. Others have pointed it out that everything will fail at some point, so you might as well buy something you can repair. That's lead me to change how I buy and landed me with a George vacuum, White-knight dryer and super common Hotpoint washer with readily available spares. This isn't to point out you should have done differently, just a different way to respond to what is an industry wide problem of planned obsolescence. [1]https://numatic.co.uk/ https://numatic.co.uk/
- redsummer 10y ago

arjie 10y ago

It's all talk. This is why you should never ask someone "would you buy this?" When you're demoing your startup idea. Everyone will say yes. Say "I'll sell this to you for twenty bucks." And see the different song. Like all the people who chat shit about not having account support for their Google account. Tell them to get Google Apps and they all go quiet. Except for that one guy who complained about Google Search limiting. Which is reasonable. Almost anything is available for a price. None of you want to hear it, though. Ten thousand blogposts about how you like quality won't work so long as your revealed preferences are different.