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You're living in a bubble. Almost all civilised countries have some form of single payer healthcare with for example required minimal insurance. It's the US tha

by rb666 10y ago

You're living in a bubble. Almost all civilised countries have some form of single payer healthcare with for example required minimal insurance. It's the US that has hyperinflated healthcare simply because you do not regulate.

abtinf 10y ago
> you do not regulate Inflation of healthcare costs is directly caused by government regulation.
- frgtpsswrdlame 10y ago
  Perhaps you could explain this more? It seems to me that many first-world countries regulate much more than the United States (ie single payer or similar) and have lower costs.
  - seanp2k2 10y ago
    This. The result here is if you run out of money, sorry pal, you're worthless to society, game over, no one cares, literally go die.
  - Xixi 10y ago
    Not all regulation is born equal. When the single payer is also the regulator (which is the case for nationalized healthcare), regulation is introduced to limit the costs. When the regulator is being reelected thanks to the money given to it by the players, there's much more variance in the outcome of the regulations. There's a lot of bad regulations in the US, on top of my head: public hospitals are not allowed to negotiate the price of medical equipment, so pay 5-10x the price paid in France, for instance. Gross margin of health insurances is capped as a % of the underlying medical cost, so the higher the costs, the higher the profits. US healthcare system is simply crazy. I (and my family) have very very good coverage thanks to my current job, but I'm out of the country as soon as the situation change (not that I'd have much merit doing so: my visa doesn't allow me to change job, so if I'm fired or my employer collapse, we will have to leave anyway).
    - Hasz 10y ago
      Not trying to de-legitimize the claim, but I couldn't find much about hospitals being unable to negotiate equipment prices. Do you have a source?
Chris2048 10y ago
How many of those are provably sustainable? > In its 2000 assessment of world health care systems, the World Health Organization found that France provided the "close to best overall health care" in the world. > the rising cost of the system has been a source of concern > Like most countries, France faces problems of rising costs of prescription medication, increasing unemployment, and a large aging population. -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_France https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_France

by rb666 10y ago

abtinf 10y ago

> you do not regulate Inflation of healthcare costs is directly caused by government regulation.

frgtpsswrdlame 10y ago
Perhaps you could explain this more? It seems to me that many first-world countries regulate much more than the United States (ie single payer or similar) and have lower costs.
- seanp2k2 10y ago
  This. The result here is if you run out of money, sorry pal, you're worthless to society, game over, no one cares, literally go die.
- Xixi 10y ago
  Not all regulation is born equal. When the single payer is also the regulator (which is the case for nationalized healthcare), regulation is introduced to limit the costs. When the regulator is being reelected thanks to the money given to it by the players, there's much more variance in the outcome of the regulations. There's a lot of bad regulations in the US, on top of my head: public hospitals are not allowed to negotiate the price of medical equipment, so pay 5-10x the price paid in France, for instance. Gross margin of health insurances is capped as a % of the underlying medical cost, so the higher the costs, the higher the profits. US healthcare system is simply crazy. I (and my family) have very very good coverage thanks to my current job, but I'm out of the country as soon as the situation change (not that I'd have much merit doing so: my visa doesn't allow me to change job, so if I'm fired or my employer collapse, we will have to leave anyway).
  - Hasz 10y ago
    Not trying to de-legitimize the claim, but I couldn't find much about hospitals being unable to negotiate equipment prices. Do you have a source?

Chris2048 10y ago

How many of those are provably sustainable? > In its 2000 assessment of world health care systems, the World Health Organization found that France provided the "close to best overall health care" in the world. > the rising cost of the system has been a source of concern > Like most countries, France faces problems of rising costs of prescription medication, increasing unemployment, and a large aging population. -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_France https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_France