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This silly. In the last few months I have been changing my diet because of cholesterol readings. It's annoying, because I like steak, and I like coconut, and

This silly. In the last few months I have been changing my diet because of cholesterol readings. It's annoying, because I like steak, and I like coconut, and bacon, and ghee, and prawns and, and, and... Desire for such a diet has always been with us. The food industry has, for the first time, made it affordable for hundreds of millions of us. They are guilty only of mass feeding for profit.

Toine 10y ago
Then drug dealers shouldn't be stopped? People should get unlimited dose of heroin ? I don't understand your point. Of course we are addictive beings, that's why we invented laws and rules in the first place : so that we can live in order and not chaos. If we let people have access to everything they want (including killing half the planet, eating your children, murdering your parents), do you realise how chaotic the world would be ?
- scarface74 10y ago
  You mixed two different things. If a person wants to shoot heroin -- or in this case eat bad food. They should be allowed to. It only affects them. Murder takes away someone else's right. But on the other hand, the government shouldn't be subsidizing heroin or food.
  - Toine 10y ago
    No it doesn't, it affects their parents, their children, their friends, their pets, their colleagues, the companies they work in, their clients, and everyone else actually. You don't live in a vacuum, you live in a interconnected system where everyone has an effect on everyone, direct or indirect. Liberty is extremely important, but we should always remember we're not alone. This belief that everyone should be 100% free and have the right to be whatever he wants with his life is, if not the only reason, part of the reasons why we're in this mess today.
    - scarface74 10y ago
      And all of those people that it affects -- besides their children -- have the right to disassociate themselves from the person. Society already has ways to remove children from bad situations.
      - fredoliveira 10y ago
        Talk about defending a strong idea without giving it much thought. Yes, you may disassociate yourself with someone who does drugs - but do you want to? What if it is someone you care deeply about? Shouldn't we try to shield people from doing things that may affect them negatively in the first place?
        scarface74 10y ago
        Shouldn't we try to shield people from doing things that may affect them negatively in the first place How has that worked out? The War on Drugs has been an abysmal failure, as was Prohibition, making gambling illegal, etc. Can you name one time that the government has ever successfully "shielded" anyone from something negative?
        Toine 10y ago
        Seatbelts ?
        scarface74 10y ago
        I think that's more education and changing societal norms than anything else. What are the chances that you actually get caught without your seatbelt? Why would traffic laws deter someone from not wearing their seatbelt but not deter someone from speeding? If you look at the traffic laws that work well - stopping at a traffic light, not driving on the wrong side of the road, etc. compared to ones that don't like speeding, using your traffic signal, crossing the gourd, you'll notice that most people decide on what laws to obey based on the risk of injury to themselves or someone else.
  - mizchief2 10y ago
    I agree mostly, but you do have to consider the ethics of selling someone a substance that you know will cause them to become addicted beyond their control.
SmellyGeekBoy 10y ago
> It's annoying, because I like steak, and I like coconut, and bacon, and ghee, and prawns and, and, and... How is that annoying? All of these things can be part of a healthy, balanced diet. Why cut them out completely?
- adrianratnapala 10y ago
  I certainly didn't cut them out completely. The point is to moderate them, I had to discipline myself. On the other hand, how the heck is the food industry supposed to moderate me, why also supplying these things that you point out are part of a perfectly sensible diet.
rhinoceraptor 10y ago
All of the foods you listed are perfectly healthy. The food industry led the science down a false path that led to healthy foods (such as all the ones you listed) being branded unhealthy, and bad ones (low fat, refined carbohydrate foods) being branded as heart healthy.
mizchief2 10y ago
There is a difference between selling someone a fresh cut of beef and mass producing hamburger patties that only have 20% meat then add sawdust and other fillers and use additives to make it taste like meat again.

Toine 10y ago

Then drug dealers shouldn't be stopped? People should get unlimited dose of heroin ? I don't understand your point. Of course we are addictive beings, that's why we invented laws and rules in the first place : so that we can live in order and not chaos. If we let people have access to everything they want (including killing half the planet, eating your children, murdering your parents), do you realise how chaotic the world would be ?

scarface74 10y ago
You mixed two different things. If a person wants to shoot heroin -- or in this case eat bad food. They should be allowed to. It only affects them. Murder takes away someone else's right. But on the other hand, the government shouldn't be subsidizing heroin or food.
- Toine 10y ago
  No it doesn't, it affects their parents, their children, their friends, their pets, their colleagues, the companies they work in, their clients, and everyone else actually. You don't live in a vacuum, you live in a interconnected system where everyone has an effect on everyone, direct or indirect. Liberty is extremely important, but we should always remember we're not alone. This belief that everyone should be 100% free and have the right to be whatever he wants with his life is, if not the only reason, part of the reasons why we're in this mess today.
  - scarface74 10y ago
    And all of those people that it affects -- besides their children -- have the right to disassociate themselves from the person. Society already has ways to remove children from bad situations.
    - fredoliveira 10y ago
      Talk about defending a strong idea without giving it much thought. Yes, you may disassociate yourself with someone who does drugs - but do you want to? What if it is someone you care deeply about? Shouldn't we try to shield people from doing things that may affect them negatively in the first place?
      - scarface74 10y ago
        Shouldn't we try to shield people from doing things that may affect them negatively in the first place How has that worked out? The War on Drugs has been an abysmal failure, as was Prohibition, making gambling illegal, etc. Can you name one time that the government has ever successfully "shielded" anyone from something negative?
        Toine 10y ago
        Seatbelts ?
        scarface74 10y ago
        I think that's more education and changing societal norms than anything else. What are the chances that you actually get caught without your seatbelt? Why would traffic laws deter someone from not wearing their seatbelt but not deter someone from speeding? If you look at the traffic laws that work well - stopping at a traffic light, not driving on the wrong side of the road, etc. compared to ones that don't like speeding, using your traffic signal, crossing the gourd, you'll notice that most people decide on what laws to obey based on the risk of injury to themselves or someone else.
- mizchief2 10y ago
  I agree mostly, but you do have to consider the ethics of selling someone a substance that you know will cause them to become addicted beyond their control.

SmellyGeekBoy 10y ago

> It's annoying, because I like steak, and I like coconut, and bacon, and ghee, and prawns and, and, and... How is that annoying? All of these things can be part of a healthy, balanced diet. Why cut them out completely?

adrianratnapala 10y ago
I certainly didn't cut them out completely. The point is to moderate them, I had to discipline myself. On the other hand, how the heck is the food industry supposed to moderate me, why also supplying these things that you point out are part of a perfectly sensible diet.

rhinoceraptor 10y ago

All of the foods you listed are perfectly healthy. The food industry led the science down a false path that led to healthy foods (such as all the ones you listed) being branded unhealthy, and bad ones (low fat, refined carbohydrate foods) being branded as heart healthy.

mizchief2 10y ago

There is a difference between selling someone a fresh cut of beef and mass producing hamburger patties that only have 20% meat then add sawdust and other fillers and use additives to make it taste like meat again.