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> He is leaving after apparently deciding the current controversies are too much to handle. Not exactly leadership material. Edit: Apparently an unpopular opi

by bsg75 10y ago

> He is leaving after apparently deciding the current controversies are too much to handle. Not exactly leadership material. Edit: Apparently an unpopular opinion. Do those here think otherwise given he joined the company less than a year ago (and is thus not part of the original culture), but instead could try to repair the damage done by the uber-bro culture instead of looking for an easier paycheck?

untilHellbanned 10y ago
Don't you think he tried?
- bsg75 10y ago
  Maybe not hard enough: http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/16/14643634/uber-public-facebook-qa-drivers-angry http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/16/14643634/uber-public-faceb... "the session did not go over all that smoothly. In total, Jones answered only 12 questions on his public Facebook post"
Anderkent 10y ago
> Apparently an unpopular opinion. Do those here think otherwise given he joined the company less than a year ago (and is thus not part of the original culture), but instead could try to repair the damage done by the uber-bro culture instead of looking for an easier paycheck? Maybe 'uber-bro culture' is not actually a thing, and he doesn't see a possible solution for the PR problems? It's really hard to stop the hatetrain.
- bsg75 10y ago
  That depends on where the train is directed: At the company as a whole, or at another set of company heads who ignore serious or hard problems? I doubt the entire company is tainted, but it does have issues that need to be led by people who will address in something other a Facebook AMA.
daenney 10y ago
> but instead could try to repair the damage done by the uber-bro culture instead of looking for an easier paycheck? You seem to assume that b/c he left after half a year he didn't try and just wants to get easy money somewhere else. I wouldn't be so quick to that assumption and that's probably what makes your opinion unpopular. If I'd feel that after half a year I hadn't gotten anywhere, I'd get out too. Regardless of the pay check since one way or another I'm not able to have any meaningful impact on the organisation and its mission. I don't know if that's the case, but that's an equally reasonable assumption given what we know about Uber's culture. However, since we don't know one way or another it might be nice to assume good faith over cop-out or incompetence.
btian 10y ago
you know he's not the CEO right?
- bsg75 10y ago
  Correct, he was president. Not exactly unempowered.
zaphar 10y ago
Your comment is probably getting downvoted because it makes some unvalidated implied assumptions that may not be true. I would absolutely leave a position like that if I discovered that the company didn't actual have the will to do what was necessary in order to fix the problems. A year would certainly be enough time to determine that and Jeff Jones departure could just as easily be read in that way rather than a lack of leadership. On the other hand the article also says that he doesn't really like conflict so that it may be that the very toxic culture he would need to be fixing is distasteful enough to him that he just doesn't want to deal with it. This doesn't say anything disparaging about him other than perhaps that he is sane and rational and Uber has a really big culture problem.
jimmywanger 10y ago
> Not exactly leadership material. The reason it's unpopular is because it's just that. An opinion with no inside view of the situation. Many times, it's better to just bow out of a bad situation, if you're not given the power to change it, or if the situation was mis-represented to you, or both. Chalking this up to not being leadership material is intellectually lazy and flip.

by bsg75 10y ago

untilHellbanned 10y ago

Don't you think he tried?

bsg75 10y ago
Maybe not hard enough: http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/16/14643634/uber-public-facebook-qa-drivers-angry http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/16/14643634/uber-public-faceb... "the session did not go over all that smoothly. In total, Jones answered only 12 questions on his public Facebook post"

Anderkent 10y ago

> Apparently an unpopular opinion. Do those here think otherwise given he joined the company less than a year ago (and is thus not part of the original culture), but instead could try to repair the damage done by the uber-bro culture instead of looking for an easier paycheck? Maybe 'uber-bro culture' is not actually a thing, and he doesn't see a possible solution for the PR problems? It's really hard to stop the hatetrain.

bsg75 10y ago
That depends on where the train is directed: At the company as a whole, or at another set of company heads who ignore serious or hard problems? I doubt the entire company is tainted, but it does have issues that need to be led by people who will address in something other a Facebook AMA.

daenney 10y ago

> but instead could try to repair the damage done by the uber-bro culture instead of looking for an easier paycheck? You seem to assume that b/c he left after half a year he didn't try and just wants to get easy money somewhere else. I wouldn't be so quick to that assumption and that's probably what makes your opinion unpopular. If I'd feel that after half a year I hadn't gotten anywhere, I'd get out too. Regardless of the pay check since one way or another I'm not able to have any meaningful impact on the organisation and its mission. I don't know if that's the case, but that's an equally reasonable assumption given what we know about Uber's culture. However, since we don't know one way or another it might be nice to assume good faith over cop-out or incompetence.

btian 10y ago

you know he's not the CEO right?

bsg75 10y ago
Correct, he was president. Not exactly unempowered.

zaphar 10y ago

Your comment is probably getting downvoted because it makes some unvalidated implied assumptions that may not be true. I would absolutely leave a position like that if I discovered that the company didn't actual have the will to do what was necessary in order to fix the problems. A year would certainly be enough time to determine that and Jeff Jones departure could just as easily be read in that way rather than a lack of leadership. On the other hand the article also says that he doesn't really like conflict so that it may be that the very toxic culture he would need to be fixing is distasteful enough to him that he just doesn't want to deal with it. This doesn't say anything disparaging about him other than perhaps that he is sane and rational and Uber has a really big culture problem.

jimmywanger 10y ago

> Not exactly leadership material. The reason it's unpopular is because it's just that. An opinion with no inside view of the situation. Many times, it's better to just bow out of a bad situation, if you're not given the power to change it, or if the situation was mis-represented to you, or both. Chalking this up to not being leadership material is intellectually lazy and flip.