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Star Citizen is one of the only Triple-A games in development that is PC first. Good that they value their Win7, Mac and Linux gamers. Both DirectX 12 (which h

by frik 10y ago

Star Citizen is one of the only Triple-A games in development that is PC first. Good that they value their Win7, Mac and Linux gamers. Both DirectX 12 (which has nothing in common with DirectX 11) and Vulcan originate from AMD Mantel and the work of the Frostbite devs. Vulcan is the better choice nowadays, and several Triple-A games incl Doom 2016 support Vulcan. There is no reason to use Win10 as a gamer, all games (beside the arcardy FU3) run on Win7, even the older one that stopped working with the infamous adware & spyware that Win10 is - as of today Win10 has ads in Windows Explorer, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13903519 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13903519

cmpxchg8b 10y ago
The great irony here is that Doom 2016 has no official Linux support and Windows was necessary to play it. It only became usable under WINE within the past couple of months.
- pikzen 10y ago
  This was mostly an issue coming from Denuvo, which doesn't offer a way to generate linux executables. Now that Denuvo has been stripped, it runs on Linux, and pretty damn well with the Vulkan backend.
wmf 10y ago
There is no reason to use Win10 as a gamer Other than, like, having a supported version of Windows.
falcolas 10y ago
macOS supports Vulcan now? That's news to me.
- wlesieutre 10y ago
  It doesn't. There's a 3rd party middleware that implements it on top of Metal, but I don't know how it performs. https://moltengl.com/moltenvk/ https://moltengl.com/moltenvk/
rodgerd 10y ago
> There is no reason to use Win10 as a gamer Let me know how Windows 7 on the latest Intel and AMD processors works out for you.
- kuschku 10y ago
  Great! There’s no reason why you can’t use it. You have to install Windows Updates manually, but MS still provides them (as they have to, by law, in the EU, during the warranty period). And you don’t end up with a system forcefully updating and coming up with a bluescreen after every boot (my win10 test machine atm), nor do you have ads and telemetry in the megabytes after every login.
  - rodgerd 10y ago
    Yeah, but nah: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/03/microsoft-is-getting-ready-to-block-windows-updates-for-old-windows-on-new-chips/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/03/micro...
    - kuschku 10y ago
      That’s automated updates. As required by law, you can still download them anyway.
arkbird 10y ago
Say what you want about Microsoft but their documentation and support for DX12 is second to none. Very few game devs actually care about openness most want to get the job done easily without any headache.

by frik 10y ago

cmpxchg8b 10y ago

The great irony here is that Doom 2016 has no official Linux support and Windows was necessary to play it. It only became usable under WINE within the past couple of months.

pikzen 10y ago
This was mostly an issue coming from Denuvo, which doesn't offer a way to generate linux executables. Now that Denuvo has been stripped, it runs on Linux, and pretty damn well with the Vulkan backend.

wmf 10y ago

There is no reason to use Win10 as a gamer Other than, like, having a supported version of Windows.

falcolas 10y ago

macOS supports Vulcan now? That's news to me.

wlesieutre 10y ago
It doesn't. There's a 3rd party middleware that implements it on top of Metal, but I don't know how it performs. https://moltengl.com/moltenvk/ https://moltengl.com/moltenvk/

rodgerd 10y ago

> There is no reason to use Win10 as a gamer Let me know how Windows 7 on the latest Intel and AMD processors works out for you.

kuschku 10y ago
Great! There’s no reason why you can’t use it. You have to install Windows Updates manually, but MS still provides them (as they have to, by law, in the EU, during the warranty period). And you don’t end up with a system forcefully updating and coming up with a bluescreen after every boot (my win10 test machine atm), nor do you have ads and telemetry in the megabytes after every login.
- rodgerd 10y ago
  Yeah, but nah: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/03/microsoft-is-getting-ready-to-block-windows-updates-for-old-windows-on-new-chips/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/03/micro...
  - kuschku 10y ago
    That’s automated updates. As required by law, you can still download them anyway.

arkbird 10y ago

Say what you want about Microsoft but their documentation and support for DX12 is second to none. Very few game devs actually care about openness most want to get the job done easily without any headache.