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I don't use windows. What's wrong with windows 10?

by throwaway91111 10y ago

dogma1138 10y ago
Nothing, I use it on a daily basis.
Razengan 10y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13903519 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13903519 for one.
yulaow 10y ago
The dev are not directly against windows 10, but against forcing their users to upgrade to a new os only because Microsoft decides everytime to support latest directX versions only in their newest os version.
LoSboccacc 10y ago
It was decent, even fine, until they started pushing advertisement aggressively. Yes even to pro users.
- krautsourced 10y ago
  That took two clicks to disable. Hardly makes the entire OS bad. If I had anything to complain about Win 10 it's that they still haven't properly unified the control panels.
  - LoSboccacc 10y ago
    yeah, the exdplorer advertisement on top of chrome took another two click, the office advertisement another two, the edge is more secure popup, two clicks.. I see a pattern there, don't you?
  - JohnJamesRambo 10y ago
    You shouldn't have to do even two clicks to disable ads in an OS you purchased. The fact that people try to defend this is absurd.
    - zuminator 10y ago
      I purchased a newspaper, it had ads - which I couldn't disable. I purchased a magazine, it had ads - couldn't disable. I purchased a book - an ad for another book in the back. I purchased a movie ticket - an eternity of commercials even after I arrived "late" to the show. I purchased a cable subscription - still scads of ads, no way to get rid of them. So taking ten seconds to deactivate ads in an OS isn't really the kind of outrageously onerous burden you're laying it out to be. I agree to the extent that it seems like a pointlessly minuscule revenue stream in comparison to the ill will that it generates. And it was deceitful to sneak the ads in after people had already upgraded from Windows 7 instead of making their intentions clear from the outset. Microsoft would probably generate more income with an option to permanently disable the ad experience (and telemetry) for a one-time fee the way Amazon does with their low-end Kindles.
      - _jal 10y ago
        The difference I see is that it breaks previous expectations. Ads in media have a long history, and there's a bargain that people understand (even if they don't fully understand the details). Operating systems historically have not been like media. Perhaps this is the future (shudder), but pretending there has not been a difference doesn't get us anywhere. And it is jarring: compare it to one day, ads start appearing on your towels at home. Personally, OS ads and invasive telemetry are way, way too invasive for me. Never used Windows as more than a utility thing for specific apps, but I'll never use Win 10 without crippling the mothership comms, and I'm moving away from OS X as well, because of the increasing cloud-everything centricity and the neglected unix subsystem. Finally, this is probably a complaint specific to me and a not that many other people. I do systems engineering professionally. When OSes start doing things that I can't control and start communicating without explanations as to what, exactly, is going on for reasons that are not driven by my intent, I cannot trust the software. My machine, my environment, my rules. People always jump to the phone comparison here. My phones are rather locked down too, snd I'm not happy about the direction, but can do little about that.
  - wolfgke 10y ago
    > That took two clicks to disable. Hardly makes the entire OS bad. German data protection acts even make it illegal to use Windows 10 in commercial environments in many cases because of the built-in telemetry and cloud functions. Not what I would call "hardly makes the entire OS bad".
    - Mithaldu 10y ago
      Link?
      - wolfgke 10y ago
        I can only give German articles about this topic: > https://www.golem.de/news/datenschutz-windows-10-koennte-arbeitnehmer-unzulaessig-ueberwachen-1610-124094.html https://www.golem.de/news/datenschutz-windows-10-koennte-arb... > https://www.heise.de/ix/meldung/Datenschutz-Windows-10-koennte-Arbeitnehmerrechte-verletzen-3359475.html https://www.heise.de/ix/meldung/Datenschutz-Windows-10-koenn... > http://www.borncity.com/blog/2016/10/31/windows-10-und-das-datenschutzproblem-in-firmen/ http://www.borncity.com/blog/2016/10/31/windows-10-und-das-d... > https://www.gi.de/aktuelles/zur-diskussion/detailansicht/article/unternehmen-und-behoerden-lehnen-die-nutzung-von-windows-10-derzeit-ab.html https://www.gi.de/aktuelles/zur-diskussion/detailansicht/art...
        Mithaldu 10y ago
        After a quick skim of these, they all seem to say "is being looked into" and "could" and "spoke out against". Not "have been determined to be illegal".
        wolfgke 10y ago
        This is a polite way to say "it probably is illegal". As long as there is no court judgement, one cannot write a definite opinion. If the authors directly wrote that it is illegal, Microsoft would surely admonish [is this the correct English translation of the German verb "abmahnen", which has a very specific meaning in Germany's legal system?] the authors of the texts or the medium that publishes such a statement.
EasyTiger_ 10y ago
- They are presenting ad 'experiences' on the Start menu, lock-screen, notification area, taskbar and now the File Manager, too. This is happening even on Enterprise. - Windows 10 will automatically install games from the Windows Store which are not wanted such as Candy Crush - Extensive and opaque 'telemetry' being sent back to MS which cannot be completely turned off - Lack of control over windows updates These are my own personal reasons why I will never be installing such an anti-consumer OS.
- arm 10y ago
  Yep, and if that wasn’t enough, they have the gall to charge consumers for the OS too! I mean, monetizing users by tracking their behaviour and showing them custom ads is bad enough (although somewhat understandable when the OS is free), but charging users for the privilege too (Windows 10 costs money¹)? Disgusting. ―――――― ¹ — https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/get-windows-10 https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/get-windows-10
- naikrovek 10y ago
  - they are showing "suggested apps" in the start menu, which can be turned off. The others are OneDrive and Edge suggestions and can also be turned off. - those apps are installed at the time of installation and can be removed. If so, they are not reinstalled ever again. - telemetry. Scary. Every application you install does this. - MS found (via telemetry) that users don't like installing updates, and thus left themselves open to many vulnerabilities that antivirus systems don't even look for. So, MS has chosen to force users into a more secure paradigm. These are my personal responses why I don't mind windows 10 at all, and don't feel it to be anti-consumer at all.
  - swiley 10y ago
    >telemetry. Scary. Every application you install does this. I'm really quite sure the applications on my machine don't. Then again I only run things I have some way to compile myself.
    - 10y ago

I don't use windows. What's wrong with windows 10?

dogma1138 10y ago

Nothing, I use it on a daily basis.

Razengan 10y ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13903519 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13903519 for one.

yulaow 10y ago

The dev are not directly against windows 10, but against forcing their users to upgrade to a new os only because Microsoft decides everytime to support latest directX versions only in their newest os version.

LoSboccacc 10y ago

It was decent, even fine, until they started pushing advertisement aggressively. Yes even to pro users.

krautsourced 10y ago
That took two clicks to disable. Hardly makes the entire OS bad. If I had anything to complain about Win 10 it's that they still haven't properly unified the control panels.
- LoSboccacc 10y ago
  yeah, the exdplorer advertisement on top of chrome took another two click, the office advertisement another two, the edge is more secure popup, two clicks.. I see a pattern there, don't you?
- JohnJamesRambo 10y ago
  You shouldn't have to do even two clicks to disable ads in an OS you purchased. The fact that people try to defend this is absurd.
  - zuminator 10y ago
    I purchased a newspaper, it had ads - which I couldn't disable. I purchased a magazine, it had ads - couldn't disable. I purchased a book - an ad for another book in the back. I purchased a movie ticket - an eternity of commercials even after I arrived "late" to the show. I purchased a cable subscription - still scads of ads, no way to get rid of them. So taking ten seconds to deactivate ads in an OS isn't really the kind of outrageously onerous burden you're laying it out to be. I agree to the extent that it seems like a pointlessly minuscule revenue stream in comparison to the ill will that it generates. And it was deceitful to sneak the ads in after people had already upgraded from Windows 7 instead of making their intentions clear from the outset. Microsoft would probably generate more income with an option to permanently disable the ad experience (and telemetry) for a one-time fee the way Amazon does with their low-end Kindles.
    - _jal 10y ago
      The difference I see is that it breaks previous expectations. Ads in media have a long history, and there's a bargain that people understand (even if they don't fully understand the details). Operating systems historically have not been like media. Perhaps this is the future (shudder), but pretending there has not been a difference doesn't get us anywhere. And it is jarring: compare it to one day, ads start appearing on your towels at home. Personally, OS ads and invasive telemetry are way, way too invasive for me. Never used Windows as more than a utility thing for specific apps, but I'll never use Win 10 without crippling the mothership comms, and I'm moving away from OS X as well, because of the increasing cloud-everything centricity and the neglected unix subsystem. Finally, this is probably a complaint specific to me and a not that many other people. I do systems engineering professionally. When OSes start doing things that I can't control and start communicating without explanations as to what, exactly, is going on for reasons that are not driven by my intent, I cannot trust the software. My machine, my environment, my rules. People always jump to the phone comparison here. My phones are rather locked down too, snd I'm not happy about the direction, but can do little about that.
- wolfgke 10y ago
  > That took two clicks to disable. Hardly makes the entire OS bad. German data protection acts even make it illegal to use Windows 10 in commercial environments in many cases because of the built-in telemetry and cloud functions. Not what I would call "hardly makes the entire OS bad".
  - Mithaldu 10y ago
    Link?
    - wolfgke 10y ago
      I can only give German articles about this topic: > https://www.golem.de/news/datenschutz-windows-10-koennte-arbeitnehmer-unzulaessig-ueberwachen-1610-124094.html https://www.golem.de/news/datenschutz-windows-10-koennte-arb... > https://www.heise.de/ix/meldung/Datenschutz-Windows-10-koennte-Arbeitnehmerrechte-verletzen-3359475.html https://www.heise.de/ix/meldung/Datenschutz-Windows-10-koenn... > http://www.borncity.com/blog/2016/10/31/windows-10-und-das-datenschutzproblem-in-firmen/ http://www.borncity.com/blog/2016/10/31/windows-10-und-das-d... > https://www.gi.de/aktuelles/zur-diskussion/detailansicht/article/unternehmen-und-behoerden-lehnen-die-nutzung-von-windows-10-derzeit-ab.html https://www.gi.de/aktuelles/zur-diskussion/detailansicht/art...
      - Mithaldu 10y ago
        After a quick skim of these, they all seem to say "is being looked into" and "could" and "spoke out against". Not "have been determined to be illegal".
        wolfgke 10y ago
        This is a polite way to say "it probably is illegal". As long as there is no court judgement, one cannot write a definite opinion. If the authors directly wrote that it is illegal, Microsoft would surely admonish [is this the correct English translation of the German verb "abmahnen", which has a very specific meaning in Germany's legal system?] the authors of the texts or the medium that publishes such a statement.

EasyTiger_ 10y ago

- They are presenting ad 'experiences' on the Start menu, lock-screen, notification area, taskbar and now the File Manager, too. This is happening even on Enterprise. - Windows 10 will automatically install games from the Windows Store which are not wanted such as Candy Crush - Extensive and opaque 'telemetry' being sent back to MS which cannot be completely turned off - Lack of control over windows updates These are my own personal reasons why I will never be installing such an anti-consumer OS.

arm 10y ago
Yep, and if that wasn’t enough, they have the gall to charge consumers for the OS too! I mean, monetizing users by tracking their behaviour and showing them custom ads is bad enough (although somewhat understandable when the OS is free), but charging users for the privilege too (Windows 10 costs money¹)? Disgusting. ―――――― ¹ — https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/get-windows-10 https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/get-windows-10
naikrovek 10y ago
- they are showing "suggested apps" in the start menu, which can be turned off. The others are OneDrive and Edge suggestions and can also be turned off. - those apps are installed at the time of installation and can be removed. If so, they are not reinstalled ever again. - telemetry. Scary. Every application you install does this. - MS found (via telemetry) that users don't like installing updates, and thus left themselves open to many vulnerabilities that antivirus systems don't even look for. So, MS has chosen to force users into a more secure paradigm. These are my personal responses why I don't mind windows 10 at all, and don't feel it to be anti-consumer at all.
- swiley 10y ago
  >telemetry. Scary. Every application you install does this. I'm really quite sure the applications on my machine don't. Then again I only run things I have some way to compile myself.
  - 10y ago