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Question: does there exist a place today that was like Berlin in the 1990s: civilized but still a bit uncharted, with a lot of opportunities for living thriftil

by norswap 10y ago

Question: does there exist a place today that was like Berlin in the 1990s: civilized but still a bit uncharted, with a lot of opportunities for living thriftily?

prodmerc 10y ago
Honestly, that's like a lot of second/third-major cities in European countries...
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pantalaimon 10y ago
Leipzig comes to mind
- flohrian 10y ago
  Also came to my mind. But Leipzig also attracts many young people because of its affordability. Many things that are true for Berlin now are also true for Leipzig; it is very hip, rents are rising and there's a lack of living space [1][2]. [1]: http://www.taz.de/!5368403/ http://www.taz.de/!5368403/ (german) [2]: https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/535299/umfrage/mietpreise-auf-dem-wohnungsmarkt-in-leipzig/ https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/535299/umfrag...
- pimeys 10y ago
  Dresden too...
ido 10y ago
All cities (aside from a couple of the capitals) in the formerly-communist EU states.
et-al 10y ago
Many people will say Leipzig, and it's true to a certain extent. Berlin is very unique in its tolerance. As you move eastward in Europe, that may not be the case. Of course if you're white or really attractive, these are non-issues.
anothercomment 10y ago
I suspect such places will always emerge? A while ago I saw a documentary about Bremen, where apparently large amounts of flats are empty and can be rented for 1€/month. Maybe cities like that could become new destinations for artists? The situation of Berlin is of course quite unique because of the wall. Also, maybe artists not only need cheap rents, but also wealthy patrons. I don't know.
anothercomment 10y ago
What is Detroit like these days?
snovv_crash 10y ago
I would recommend Cape Town, Lisbon and Prague. But as always, stay out of the tourist areas and look for where the middle-class locals live.
jvm 10y ago
Montreal.
lucaspiller 10y ago
I'd say Vilnius and Lithuania in general is a bit like that. Nobody seems to know much about the country other than basketball - as long as you don't mind smaller cities it's a nice place. Although since the Euro was adopted two years ago prices have gone up, but wages have stayed the same. A basic flat somewhat close to the city centre would be at least €300/mo, and a good white collar wage maybe €1000/mo.

by norswap 10y ago

Question: does there exist a place today that was like Berlin in the 1990s: civilized but still a bit uncharted, with a lot of opportunities for living thriftily?

prodmerc 10y ago

Honestly, that's like a lot of second/third-major cities in European countries...

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pantalaimon 10y ago

Leipzig comes to mind

flohrian 10y ago
Also came to my mind. But Leipzig also attracts many young people because of its affordability. Many things that are true for Berlin now are also true for Leipzig; it is very hip, rents are rising and there's a lack of living space [1][2]. [1]: http://www.taz.de/!5368403/ http://www.taz.de/!5368403/ (german) [2]: https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/535299/umfrage/mietpreise-auf-dem-wohnungsmarkt-in-leipzig/ https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/535299/umfrag...
pimeys 10y ago
Dresden too...

ido 10y ago

All cities (aside from a couple of the capitals) in the formerly-communist EU states.

et-al 10y ago

Many people will say Leipzig, and it's true to a certain extent. Berlin is very unique in its tolerance. As you move eastward in Europe, that may not be the case. Of course if you're white or really attractive, these are non-issues.

anothercomment 10y ago

I suspect such places will always emerge? A while ago I saw a documentary about Bremen, where apparently large amounts of flats are empty and can be rented for 1€/month. Maybe cities like that could become new destinations for artists? The situation of Berlin is of course quite unique because of the wall. Also, maybe artists not only need cheap rents, but also wealthy patrons. I don't know.

anothercomment 10y ago

What is Detroit like these days?

snovv_crash 10y ago

I would recommend Cape Town, Lisbon and Prague. But as always, stay out of the tourist areas and look for where the middle-class locals live.

jvm 10y ago

Montreal.

lucaspiller 10y ago

I'd say Vilnius and Lithuania in general is a bit like that. Nobody seems to know much about the country other than basketball - as long as you don't mind smaller cities it's a nice place. Although since the Euro was adopted two years ago prices have gone up, but wages have stayed the same. A basic flat somewhat close to the city centre would be at least €300/mo, and a good white collar wage maybe €1000/mo.