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I will concede that ASUS laptops tend to take a year or two to sort out. But they do get sorted out - as far as I can tell most of the issues mentioned in that

I will concede that ASUS laptops tend to take a year or two to sort out. But they do get sorted out - as far as I can tell most of the issues mentioned in that thread are also solved in that thread. Did you read any of it?

DanBC 10y ago
I've read all of it. It's a considerable amount of work for an average user to get a working Ubuntu, and even after all that work there are still things (headphone audio ffs) that don't work. This thread is about how people today should move off Windows, and how it is trivially easy to do so. I agree people should move off windows. I disagree that it's trivially easy to do so, especially for these class of netbook style machine. I think that your advice (basically "wait until the kernel is updated") is proof that there are problems with these machines.
- Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
  ASUS is the exception, not the norm, and dealbreaker bugs are generally only found in recent models. My point is that for nearly everyone, switching to Linux is easy, and people who generalize the whole platform as broken are spreading FUD.
  - 21 10y ago
    So I tried yesterday installing (as a dual boot) Ubuntu on my desktop. 3 year old system, Intel 4770 CPU, Gigabyte motherboard, nothing fancy. Ubuntu 16.10 wouldn't boot from a USB stick, with some PM error and the CPU watchdog errors. Fine, go to all the trouble of plugging in a DVD drive, go out, buy a blank DVD. Same thing. The Ubuntu installation media just hangs with an error. Googling that didn't help.
ygaf 10y ago
> Did you read any of it? How weaselly. His conclusion is plain to see: "The result? Ubuntu still doesn't fully work on that particular machine"
- Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
  How do you figure that as weasely? You could easily argue that posting a link to a 150+ page forum thread with a dozen serious issues in the OP is misleading when today only one minor issue is outstanding.
  - ygaf 10y ago
    You didn't dispute his conclusion (the topic being whether linux requires 3 trivial fixes max) , settling for undermining his post in general.
    - Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
      You're just picking nits here.
  - DanBC 10y ago
    One minor issue? You seem to misunderstand that thread. If you do a stock install of Ubuntu you'll have very many, showstopping, errors. If you use a custom script that forces a custom bootloader, custom kernel, and a bunch of other fixes, you end up with a machine that still doesn't have headphone audio and some problems with bluetooth.
    - Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
      The relevant kernel changes are shipping in 4.11, though. Bluetooth seems to be working according to the latest messages. What's this about a custom bootloader? The other fixes so far as I can tell are pretty easily applied in <20 minutes work. It seems very do-able to get this laptop working correctly, especially when 4.11 ships. A self-defeatist attitude won't make this more comfortable. If you don't like that Windows 10 is full of ads and spyware, the time investment to get this laptop working seems pretty small in exchange for a better OS. Throw in a little extra time to get these fixes applied in the form of patches to the relevant projects. If everyone gave up because they can't put a few minutes into troubleshooting and tweaking their setups, Linux will never grow to the threshold necessary to get vendors to support it OOTB.

DanBC 10y ago

I've read all of it. It's a considerable amount of work for an average user to get a working Ubuntu, and even after all that work there are still things (headphone audio ffs) that don't work. This thread is about how people today should move off Windows, and how it is trivially easy to do so. I agree people should move off windows. I disagree that it's trivially easy to do so, especially for these class of netbook style machine. I think that your advice (basically "wait until the kernel is updated") is proof that there are problems with these machines.

Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
ASUS is the exception, not the norm, and dealbreaker bugs are generally only found in recent models. My point is that for nearly everyone, switching to Linux is easy, and people who generalize the whole platform as broken are spreading FUD.
- 21 10y ago
  So I tried yesterday installing (as a dual boot) Ubuntu on my desktop. 3 year old system, Intel 4770 CPU, Gigabyte motherboard, nothing fancy. Ubuntu 16.10 wouldn't boot from a USB stick, with some PM error and the CPU watchdog errors. Fine, go to all the trouble of plugging in a DVD drive, go out, buy a blank DVD. Same thing. The Ubuntu installation media just hangs with an error. Googling that didn't help.

ygaf 10y ago

> Did you read any of it? How weaselly. His conclusion is plain to see: "The result? Ubuntu still doesn't fully work on that particular machine"

Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
How do you figure that as weasely? You could easily argue that posting a link to a 150+ page forum thread with a dozen serious issues in the OP is misleading when today only one minor issue is outstanding.
- ygaf 10y ago
  You didn't dispute his conclusion (the topic being whether linux requires 3 trivial fixes max) , settling for undermining his post in general.
  - Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
    You're just picking nits here.
- DanBC 10y ago
  One minor issue? You seem to misunderstand that thread. If you do a stock install of Ubuntu you'll have very many, showstopping, errors. If you use a custom script that forces a custom bootloader, custom kernel, and a bunch of other fixes, you end up with a machine that still doesn't have headphone audio and some problems with bluetooth.
  - Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
    The relevant kernel changes are shipping in 4.11, though. Bluetooth seems to be working according to the latest messages. What's this about a custom bootloader? The other fixes so far as I can tell are pretty easily applied in <20 minutes work. It seems very do-able to get this laptop working correctly, especially when 4.11 ships. A self-defeatist attitude won't make this more comfortable. If you don't like that Windows 10 is full of ads and spyware, the time investment to get this laptop working seems pretty small in exchange for a better OS. Throw in a little extra time to get these fixes applied in the form of patches to the relevant projects. If everyone gave up because they can't put a few minutes into troubleshooting and tweaking their setups, Linux will never grow to the threshold necessary to get vendors to support it OOTB.