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Linux isn't entirely immune to this. Ubuntu had Amazon search integration https://www.howtogeek.com/188589/5-things-you-need-to-know-about-ubuntu-14.04-lts/ htt

Linux isn't entirely immune to this. Ubuntu had Amazon search integration https://www.howtogeek.com/188589/5-things-you-need-to-know-about-ubuntu-14.04-lts/ https://www.howtogeek.com/188589/5-things-you-need-to-know-a... A while back. Not sure where that stands today. Firefox was paid by Google in the past and I believe Yahoo these days. macOS had a connection with Bing in Spotlight. The current incarnation is just a dog with different fleas.

laumars 10y ago
> Linux isn't entirely immune to this. Ubuntu had Amazon search integration https://www.howtogeek.com/188589/5-things-you-need-to-know-a.. https://www.howtogeek.com/188589/5-things-you-need-to-know-a.... A while back. Not sure where that stands today. This is the most relevant of your 3 examples and Canonical got heavily criticised for it. They ended up reversing their decision. Which makes it all the more important that people take this example not as "It's ok for Microsoft to do it as well" but rather "We also shouldn't allow Microsoft to get away with this". >Firefox was paid by Google In the last and I believe Yahoo these days. The thing here is that when you type something in the search bar you are actually wanting to search for something online - given that it's a "search" bar. It kind of made sense for Google to be the default search engine as that is the most popular search engine in the west (ie what most people would prefer to default to) so even without Google's investment I can see the logic of having a Google search bar. In fact I would go further and say that's a well received productivity tool. However It's also very easy to change which online service is used in the search bar - or even to remove it entirely. So the Google investment does not lock you into using Google services on Firefox. Thus I see no conflict of interest with regards to Google's donations to Firefox.
- bradgessler 10y ago
  Re: Ubuntu's decision to reverse ad integration, perhaps there's hope that with enough criticism Microsoft may re-evaluate integrating ads into explorer?
  - laumars 10y ago
    Hopefully. But I wish people wouldn't keep bringing up the Ubuntu example as if to say people are hypocrites for moaning about Microsoft. Most people weren't happy with Canonical either. Hopefully most people wont use the "well it happened in Ubuntu too" excuse and instead think more along the lines of "people were mad then and it changed things so lets get mad again".
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- Arizhel 10y ago
  Canonical didn't just get criticized for the Amazon search integration: a bunch of users jumped ship to other distros, especially Mint (which is basically Ubuntu + other DEs on top). There's a good and simple lesson here: if you don't like a company's behavior, you need to be willing to jump ship. If you're not, then your complaints are futile and useless. Why should the company listen to you if you're not going to abandon them?
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sudojudo 10y ago
|Not sure where that stands today. Then why say anything? You're referencing an article from 2014, on howtogeek.
- portref 10y ago
  In any discussion of Windows privacy a load of posts about Ubuntu "spyware" appear, suggesting an equivalence between Win 10's myriad issues and that short-lived much criticised easily disabled feature of Unity on one release of Ubuntu. It's a bit desperate.

laumars 10y ago

> Linux isn't entirely immune to this. Ubuntu had Amazon search integration https://www.howtogeek.com/188589/5-things-you-need-to-know-a.. https://www.howtogeek.com/188589/5-things-you-need-to-know-a.... A while back. Not sure where that stands today. This is the most relevant of your 3 examples and Canonical got heavily criticised for it. They ended up reversing their decision. Which makes it all the more important that people take this example not as "It's ok for Microsoft to do it as well" but rather "We also shouldn't allow Microsoft to get away with this". >Firefox was paid by Google In the last and I believe Yahoo these days. The thing here is that when you type something in the search bar you are actually wanting to search for something online - given that it's a "search" bar. It kind of made sense for Google to be the default search engine as that is the most popular search engine in the west (ie what most people would prefer to default to) so even without Google's investment I can see the logic of having a Google search bar. In fact I would go further and say that's a well received productivity tool. However It's also very easy to change which online service is used in the search bar - or even to remove it entirely. So the Google investment does not lock you into using Google services on Firefox. Thus I see no conflict of interest with regards to Google's donations to Firefox.

bradgessler 10y ago
Re: Ubuntu's decision to reverse ad integration, perhaps there's hope that with enough criticism Microsoft may re-evaluate integrating ads into explorer?
- laumars 10y ago
  Hopefully. But I wish people wouldn't keep bringing up the Ubuntu example as if to say people are hypocrites for moaning about Microsoft. Most people weren't happy with Canonical either. Hopefully most people wont use the "well it happened in Ubuntu too" excuse and instead think more along the lines of "people were mad then and it changed things so lets get mad again".
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Arizhel 10y ago
Canonical didn't just get criticized for the Amazon search integration: a bunch of users jumped ship to other distros, especially Mint (which is basically Ubuntu + other DEs on top). There's a good and simple lesson here: if you don't like a company's behavior, you need to be willing to jump ship. If you're not, then your complaints are futile and useless. Why should the company listen to you if you're not going to abandon them?

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sudojudo 10y ago

|Not sure where that stands today. Then why say anything? You're referencing an article from 2014, on howtogeek.

portref 10y ago
In any discussion of Windows privacy a load of posts about Ubuntu "spyware" appear, suggesting an equivalence between Win 10's myriad issues and that short-lived much criticised easily disabled feature of Unity on one release of Ubuntu. It's a bit desperate.