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When will Microsoft stop with this shit, and do a 180 degree U-turn? What does it need? It's unbelievable how MSFT turned Windows from the great Win7 to the wo

by frik 10y ago

When will Microsoft stop with this shit, and do a 180 degree U-turn? What does it need? It's unbelievable how MSFT turned Windows from the great Win7 to the worst spyware operating system in human history aka Win10 in just 5 years. Is it just greed? Is it that they failed with Mobile (WinPhone is dead and has 0.1% world wide market share) and Android amd iOS have a bigger market share than Windows 7? (Win10 has way smaller market share). On desktop Windows 7 has like 50% market share, where as Win10 is around 20%. Is it that they failed with XBoxOne, now Sony and Nintendo eat MSFT former console market share as breakfast. I bought two highend notebooks one a MacBookPro, the other with Win7 Pro preinstalled. The will last for the next five years. I stay with Office 2010 and additionally installed LibreOffice. I skip Win8 and Win10, and I am running Linux in VMs. What's really disgusting is that in future many smaller companies like law firms, doctors will leak your private confidential data to Microsoft - as Windows 10 collects audio from connected microphones, collect keystrokes from connected keyboards, and indexes all files on local drives and sends a lot of data home to many different domains (some are owned by Microsoft, some have very dubious names and owners).

Ace17 10y ago
The GNU/Linux systems get to be in the VMs hosted by Windows? That's the other way around, man!
cube2222 10y ago
Well, I think we should calm down from the paranoia a little bit. Nobody has ever proven any actual spying on windows 10 (it's actually a very secure system) What everybody's talking about are metrics. Anonymous usage metrics. And trust me, as a user and programmer I know of no company that doesn't collect metrics like that. It's totally common. Between, as far as I know, from the next update "creators" (this or next month) you can actually turn them off too.
- frik 10y ago
  As a MSFT employee: Provide a proof that Win10 is not sending home the data I mentioned. Oh wait, it has been documented by third parties. Win10 has a whitelist in the signed 64bit kernel mode network driver, so you can't stop it except by putting a hardware firewall in front of your Win10 box - good luck with your Win10 notebook. If an app sends home metrics, it can be stopped with a software firewall. If you can't trust your operating system any more, it's a whole different ballpark. Adware and spyware companies with their unwanted toolbars and what not got problems with the US law since 2004. Win10 is an adware and spyware per definition, see news article of this HN thread.
  - cube2222 10y ago
    I haven't denied the metrics. But please provide proof of it sending home non-anonymus data the kind you mentioned. Also, as I said, it should be possible to turn it off soon.
    - hueving 10y ago
      Unless the metrics are sent over tor, they aren't really anonymous. How many times have companies claimed they've anonymized data only to find out it was trivial to correlate it with something else?
- std_throwaway 10y ago
  The burden of proof is up to Microsoft in this since they don't disclose the source or the communication protocols in full. There is information being sent we cannot decode right now. We can't even begin to investigate properly with the information we have. Furthermore, even if the current system is OK, this might change at any time without prior notice due to a pushed update. Finally, others doing it, too, doesn't make it any less wrong.
- makecheck 10y ago
  It doesn’t even matter if certain information is not sent now; with a well-established mechanism for doing so, anyone can make it happen in the future (new management, disgruntled employee, whatever). The correct course of action was to not have that crap in there in the first place because it is not necessary by definition for an operating system to function.
jedikv 10y ago
> Is it that they failed with XBoxOne, now Sony and Nintendo eat MSFT former console market share as breakfast. I'll think you'll find that XBone has sold pretty well (faster rate than the 360 in the same time period). It just that the PS4 sold extraordinarily well in comparison. Too early to tell for the switch but WiiU (which was competing with xbone) was nowhere near eating their breakfast.

by frik 10y ago

Ace17 10y ago

The GNU/Linux systems get to be in the VMs hosted by Windows? That's the other way around, man!

cube2222 10y ago

Well, I think we should calm down from the paranoia a little bit. Nobody has ever proven any actual spying on windows 10 (it's actually a very secure system) What everybody's talking about are metrics. Anonymous usage metrics. And trust me, as a user and programmer I know of no company that doesn't collect metrics like that. It's totally common. Between, as far as I know, from the next update "creators" (this or next month) you can actually turn them off too.

frik 10y ago
As a MSFT employee: Provide a proof that Win10 is not sending home the data I mentioned. Oh wait, it has been documented by third parties. Win10 has a whitelist in the signed 64bit kernel mode network driver, so you can't stop it except by putting a hardware firewall in front of your Win10 box - good luck with your Win10 notebook. If an app sends home metrics, it can be stopped with a software firewall. If you can't trust your operating system any more, it's a whole different ballpark. Adware and spyware companies with their unwanted toolbars and what not got problems with the US law since 2004. Win10 is an adware and spyware per definition, see news article of this HN thread.
- cube2222 10y ago
  I haven't denied the metrics. But please provide proof of it sending home non-anonymus data the kind you mentioned. Also, as I said, it should be possible to turn it off soon.
  - hueving 10y ago
    Unless the metrics are sent over tor, they aren't really anonymous. How many times have companies claimed they've anonymized data only to find out it was trivial to correlate it with something else?
std_throwaway 10y ago
The burden of proof is up to Microsoft in this since they don't disclose the source or the communication protocols in full. There is information being sent we cannot decode right now. We can't even begin to investigate properly with the information we have. Furthermore, even if the current system is OK, this might change at any time without prior notice due to a pushed update. Finally, others doing it, too, doesn't make it any less wrong.
makecheck 10y ago
It doesn’t even matter if certain information is not sent now; with a well-established mechanism for doing so, anyone can make it happen in the future (new management, disgruntled employee, whatever). The correct course of action was to not have that crap in there in the first place because it is not necessary by definition for an operating system to function.

jedikv 10y ago

> Is it that they failed with XBoxOne, now Sony and Nintendo eat MSFT former console market share as breakfast. I'll think you'll find that XBone has sold pretty well (faster rate than the 360 in the same time period). It just that the PS4 sold extraordinarily well in comparison. Too early to tell for the switch but WiiU (which was competing with xbone) was nowhere near eating their breakfast.