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Yeh I saw that too; it certainly doesn't look good. I think we will see a criminal investgation - especially as this is a new gvernment, and the public are def

by ErrantX 16y ago

Yeh I saw that too; it certainly doesn't look good. I think we will see a criminal investgation - especially as this is a new gvernment, and the public are definitely asking for it to happen. I'll be interested to see the conclusion - my prediction? A mixture of accidents, mistakes and negligence which combined into a "fluke" accident. Heads will role :-) (which is another reason to take it slowly/calmly - it will be much easier for any culprits to pin blame in the current confusion)

pasbesoin 16y ago
When "mistakes" results in deaths, in the "normal world" this may be considered manslaughter. At this point, I don't consider a Congressional investigation to be a criminal investigation. Even an appointed independent investigator/prosecutor will not suffice unless empowered to bring criminal charges. (And not merely against a chosen fall guy or scapegoat.) This is anecdotal, but the behavior and comments reported remind me all too much of what I've seen in (not the oil) industry. My own experience has shown my how prevalent negligence and cover-ups are, particularly in corporate environments. And how difficult it can be for ethical employees to counteract those trends. Sometimes -- often -- negligence may originate in part in ignorance and stupidity. It's not an excuse, especially when people die and livelihoods are destroyed -- to say nothing of irreplaceable natural resources. And irrespective of punishment, those responsible need to be removed from the ability and opportunity to make such mistakes again. If this makes it more difficult to find people willing to engage in oil production, maybe that is an economic incentive to accelerate development of other energy sources. EDIT: Sorry. This morning's coffee seems to have aided me in "getting my grump on". What I stated is a bit strong and perhaps simplistic. On the other hand, now is precisely the time to get -- publicly -- a bit "pissed off" and push for some real change. FURTHER EDIT: Well, it would have been better to push for change before such a problem occurred. But, to be practical/realistic/pragmatic/resigned about it ;-), now that it's in everyone's face, best to make hay while the sun shines.

by ErrantX 16y ago

pasbesoin 16y ago

When "mistakes" results in deaths, in the "normal world" this may be considered manslaughter. At this point, I don't consider a Congressional investigation to be a criminal investigation. Even an appointed independent investigator/prosecutor will not suffice unless empowered to bring criminal charges. (And not merely against a chosen fall guy or scapegoat.) This is anecdotal, but the behavior and comments reported remind me all too much of what I've seen in (not the oil) industry. My own experience has shown my how prevalent negligence and cover-ups are, particularly in corporate environments. And how difficult it can be for ethical employees to counteract those trends. Sometimes -- often -- negligence may originate in part in ignorance and stupidity. It's not an excuse, especially when people die and livelihoods are destroyed -- to say nothing of irreplaceable natural resources. And irrespective of punishment, those responsible need to be removed from the ability and opportunity to make such mistakes again. If this makes it more difficult to find people willing to engage in oil production, maybe that is an economic incentive to accelerate development of other energy sources. EDIT: Sorry. This morning's coffee seems to have aided me in "getting my grump on". What I stated is a bit strong and perhaps simplistic. On the other hand, now is precisely the time to get -- publicly -- a bit "pissed off" and push for some real change. FURTHER EDIT: Well, it would have been better to push for change before such a problem occurred. But, to be practical/realistic/pragmatic/resigned about it ;-), now that it's in everyone's face, best to make hay while the sun shines.