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Looks like there are a couple of minor issues that can be resolved with a trivial amount of research: http://www.linlap.com/lenovo_thinkpad_w530 http://www.linl

Looks like there are a couple of minor issues that can be resolved with a trivial amount of research: http://www.linlap.com/lenovo_thinkpad_w530 http://www.linlap.com/lenovo_thinkpad_w530 If you hit other problems, did you do any research? Did you ask for support anywhere?

Karunamon 10y ago
Every minute I spend "resolving minor issues" is a minute I have to repeat if I ever reinstall, a minute where I could be getting work done but am instead dinking with the tools rather than using them, a minute where I am not using my computer for the thing I want to be using my computer for. Manual screwing around in .conf files, having to care about what GPU is in use and fussing around with configurators before using certain ports, features dropping out between driver upgrades.. and all this just from your link on one model of one computer that supposedly "supports Linux". Look, I'm sorry, this is 2017, not 1997. This is not even a sorta okay standard of usability anymore. Not for home, not for enterprise, nor should it be accepted or defended as such.
- gnud 10y ago
  I completely agree. I stopped using Linux on my desktop a few years back (coincidentally, when Windows 7 came out). On the other hand - I would rather fiddle with Linux drivers than fiddle with Windows ad/telemetry settings. So I suspect I'll be switching back once Microsofts decides to force me off of Win7.
- Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
  People hit problems on Windows, too. According to your sort it's never Microsoft's fault or the shitty vendor's fault. As soon as you hit a problem on Linux, troubleshooting is out of the question and the only logical conclusion is that Linux is a garbage platform entirely unsuited to end-user use. Fuck off, spend 10 minutes fixing your shit and quit bitching or stick to your ad-ridden Windows 10 Spyware Edition.
  - paulddraper 10y ago
    > fixing your shit and quit bitching or stick to your ad-ridden Windows 10 Spyware Edition. I'm a "computer guy" so I'll take the former. Most every one takes the latter.
int_19h 10y ago
This kind of response to reported problems is why Linux has been hovering at 1% desktop user share for over a decade now. It was exactly the same back when I was first installing Mandrake in 2002, and it seems like nothing has changed in that regard, even though the DEs etc look very different nowadays.
mschuetz 10y ago
> can be resolved with a trivial amount of research If someone has to do a hundred trivial fixes then you might start to believe that there is something fundamentally broken with whatever software confronts me with a hundred trivial problems. I'd absolutely love to get away from windows but I tried it multiple times in the past and linux just isn't close to being an alternative in the desktop market. There are so many problems and almost everytime the solution involves doing some arcane stuff in the terminal. This isn't going to win your average user over to linux. Linux runs on all my servers, where it does an excellent job, but I can't see it replacing windows on my desktop systems, not until they fix some fundamental usability and driver issues.
- Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
  A hundred trivial fixes? More like 3 trivial fixes max! Jesus christ, Linux isn't that complicated. You're likely to run into a similar number of problems setting up your scanner on Windows! I've run Linux on desktops and laptops for years with next to no problems.
  - fauigerzigerk 10y ago
    Interestingly, there's always someone like you making such claims in every online debate about Linux on laptop. And yet I have never succeeded in making Linux run as well as Windows or macOS on any of my laptops over decades. I never seem to have one of those unicorn hardware/driver combinations that perform well, don't drain battery, don't run hot and don't break on dist-upgrade. I have researched my issues every single time because I would prefer to use Linux for many reasons, but the fixes I find are often partial, temporary and fragile. Eventually I give up and go back to macOS or Windows. dist-upgrade almost always breaks things for me, especially all those hard fought for fixes. And it's not just minor things that break. Last time (Ubuntu 16.04 to 16.10) networking stopped working completely because some maintainer had decided that network manager should no longer manage wired connections on my particular variant of Ubuntu.
  - DanBC 10y ago
    https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2254322 https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2254322 That's a 156 page thread. The result? Ubuntu still doesn't fully work on that particular machine. And that machine isn't particularly unusual in its class.

Karunamon 10y ago

Every minute I spend "resolving minor issues" is a minute I have to repeat if I ever reinstall, a minute where I could be getting work done but am instead dinking with the tools rather than using them, a minute where I am not using my computer for the thing I want to be using my computer for. Manual screwing around in .conf files, having to care about what GPU is in use and fussing around with configurators before using certain ports, features dropping out between driver upgrades.. and all this just from your link on one model of one computer that supposedly "supports Linux". Look, I'm sorry, this is 2017, not 1997. This is not even a sorta okay standard of usability anymore. Not for home, not for enterprise, nor should it be accepted or defended as such.

gnud 10y ago
I completely agree. I stopped using Linux on my desktop a few years back (coincidentally, when Windows 7 came out). On the other hand - I would rather fiddle with Linux drivers than fiddle with Windows ad/telemetry settings. So I suspect I'll be switching back once Microsofts decides to force me off of Win7.
Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
People hit problems on Windows, too. According to your sort it's never Microsoft's fault or the shitty vendor's fault. As soon as you hit a problem on Linux, troubleshooting is out of the question and the only logical conclusion is that Linux is a garbage platform entirely unsuited to end-user use. Fuck off, spend 10 minutes fixing your shit and quit bitching or stick to your ad-ridden Windows 10 Spyware Edition.
- paulddraper 10y ago
  > fixing your shit and quit bitching or stick to your ad-ridden Windows 10 Spyware Edition. I'm a "computer guy" so I'll take the former. Most every one takes the latter.

int_19h 10y ago

This kind of response to reported problems is why Linux has been hovering at 1% desktop user share for over a decade now. It was exactly the same back when I was first installing Mandrake in 2002, and it seems like nothing has changed in that regard, even though the DEs etc look very different nowadays.

mschuetz 10y ago

> can be resolved with a trivial amount of research If someone has to do a hundred trivial fixes then you might start to believe that there is something fundamentally broken with whatever software confronts me with a hundred trivial problems. I'd absolutely love to get away from windows but I tried it multiple times in the past and linux just isn't close to being an alternative in the desktop market. There are so many problems and almost everytime the solution involves doing some arcane stuff in the terminal. This isn't going to win your average user over to linux. Linux runs on all my servers, where it does an excellent job, but I can't see it replacing windows on my desktop systems, not until they fix some fundamental usability and driver issues.

Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
A hundred trivial fixes? More like 3 trivial fixes max! Jesus christ, Linux isn't that complicated. You're likely to run into a similar number of problems setting up your scanner on Windows! I've run Linux on desktops and laptops for years with next to no problems.
- fauigerzigerk 10y ago
  Interestingly, there's always someone like you making such claims in every online debate about Linux on laptop. And yet I have never succeeded in making Linux run as well as Windows or macOS on any of my laptops over decades. I never seem to have one of those unicorn hardware/driver combinations that perform well, don't drain battery, don't run hot and don't break on dist-upgrade. I have researched my issues every single time because I would prefer to use Linux for many reasons, but the fixes I find are often partial, temporary and fragile. Eventually I give up and go back to macOS or Windows. dist-upgrade almost always breaks things for me, especially all those hard fought for fixes. And it's not just minor things that break. Last time (Ubuntu 16.04 to 16.10) networking stopped working completely because some maintainer had decided that network manager should no longer manage wired connections on my particular variant of Ubuntu.
- DanBC 10y ago
  https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2254322 https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2254322 That's a 156 page thread. The result? Ubuntu still doesn't fully work on that particular machine. And that machine isn't particularly unusual in its class.