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The Fifth Force of Physics Is Hanging by a Thread

20 points by maverick_iceman 10y ago

styliano 10y ago
There's no evidence of a fifth fundamental force yet they make a big deal out of it. Might be worth reading the article just for the historical facts presented in it. Would I take it seriously? Please don't.
boyce 10y ago
> which was sensitive to a quantity called the baryon number, denoted B. This is a property of fundamental particles that, unlike mass or energy, doesn’t have any everyday meaning. It is equal to a simple arithmetic sum of the number of even more fundamental constituents called quarks and antiquarks that make up the protons and neutrons of atomic nuclei. This has to be the longest way possible to say "the number of baryons" The article in general is long-winded, poorly explained and poorly understood.
ithkuil 10y ago
> He floated a hollow copper sphere in a tank of water and placed it near the edge of a cliff. In 1987 Thieberger reported that the sphere consistently moved in the direction of the edge, where the gravitational attraction by the surrounding rock was smaller—just what you’d expect if there was indeed some repulsive force that counteracted gravity. Hmm. Wouldn't the water in the tank be attracted towards where there is more rock and thus introduce a slight slope which makes the floating sphere move towards the cliff? Like when you have a helium filled balloon in a car and accelerate: the balloon moves to the front (because the air gets pushed to the back because of its inertia).
- Udik 10y ago
  Hmmm no. The balloon (and the sphere) are pushed in the direction opposite to the sum of the forces applied to the surrounding fluid. Since the surface of the fluid is always orthogonal to those forces, there is no reason for a floating object to move in any direction but up with respect to the surface of the fluid. In other words, the fluid is not sloping, it's your head that's tilted :)

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The Fifth Force of Physics Is Hanging by a Thread

20 points by maverick_iceman 10y ago

styliano 10y ago
There's no evidence of a fifth fundamental force yet they make a big deal out of it. Might be worth reading the article just for the historical facts presented in it. Would I take it seriously? Please don't.
boyce 10y ago
> which was sensitive to a quantity called the baryon number, denoted B. This is a property of fundamental particles that, unlike mass or energy, doesn’t have any everyday meaning. It is equal to a simple arithmetic sum of the number of even more fundamental constituents called quarks and antiquarks that make up the protons and neutrons of atomic nuclei. This has to be the longest way possible to say "the number of baryons" The article in general is long-winded, poorly explained and poorly understood.
ithkuil 10y ago
> He floated a hollow copper sphere in a tank of water and placed it near the edge of a cliff. In 1987 Thieberger reported that the sphere consistently moved in the direction of the edge, where the gravitational attraction by the surrounding rock was smaller—just what you’d expect if there was indeed some repulsive force that counteracted gravity. Hmm. Wouldn't the water in the tank be attracted towards where there is more rock and thus introduce a slight slope which makes the floating sphere move towards the cliff? Like when you have a helium filled balloon in a car and accelerate: the balloon moves to the front (because the air gets pushed to the back because of its inertia).
- Udik 10y ago
  Hmmm no. The balloon (and the sphere) are pushed in the direction opposite to the sum of the forces applied to the surrounding fluid. Since the surface of the fluid is always orthogonal to those forces, there is no reason for a floating object to move in any direction but up with respect to the surface of the fluid. In other words, the fluid is not sloping, it's your head that's tilted :)