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Here's a better idea - show Microsoft that you don't accept this type of behaviour by switching products/services. I'm aware that Windows 10 is a "free" OS, bu

Here's a better idea - show Microsoft that you don't accept this type of behaviour by switching products/services. I'm aware that Windows 10 is a "free" OS, but trying to ram this type of behaviour down my throat is despicable unethical behaviour and I don't condone it. It is why I've switched to Linux for my daily computing needs.

city41 10y ago
Windows 10 is not free. The "free upgrade" period is over. MSRP for Windows 10 Home is $119.
- userbinator 10y ago
  That's why the parent put "free" in quotes. Unlike all the previous versions of Windows, MSFT decided to make this upgrade "free" for a while, but AFAIK it's still ridiculously easy to pirate Win10, and the "accessibility technologies" free upgrade loophole, which was said to be closing "very soon" many months ago, is still open. In other words, if you really don't want to pay, Microsoft still seems desperate to get you to "upgrade" to Win10... precisely so they can monetise you with ads (and might make more from you eventually even if you never paid for their OS). As a mass-exodus to Linux and macOS curretly seems unlikely, their strategy appears to be winning so far.
  - TAForObvReasons 10y ago
    > As a mass-exodus to Linux and macOS curretly seems unlikely, their strategy appears to be winning so far. ... or people just install windows 7 / avoid upgrading to 10. Hard to call that a "win" Take everything with a grain of salt, but metrics still point to Windows 7 dominance: http://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/desktop/worldwide http://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/de... https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0 https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share...
    - deleted 10y ago
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    - criddell 10y ago
      Isn't Microsoft starting to block updates to Windows 7 on new hardware?
      - clouddrover 10y ago
        Yes: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4012982/discusses-an-issue-in-which-you-receive-a-your-pc-uses-a-processor-tha https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4012982/discusses-a...
        Mithaldu 10y ago
        They're not "blocking" updates, they've stopped writing and compiling them with the backwards compatibility shims that made them work on older hardware. They probably do this because it drives updates AND because it's cheaper, but please try to describe it accurately.
        clouddrover 10y ago
        > they've stopped writing and compiling them with the backwards compatibility shims that made them work on older hardware That claim doesn't stack up. Windows 10, for example, works fine on older hardware. As Microsoft said, they're blocking updates to Windows 7 and 8 if you try to run those OSes on newer hardware.
    - Pica_soO 10y ago
      How hard would it be to replace the ads with instructions to do a parallel Ubuntu install?
      - sova 10y ago
        I like the way you open source.
- calvano915 10y ago
  Installing Windows 10 on activated Windows 7/8 installs still upgrade to digitally entitled license. Just did it the other day. I didn't believe it 'til I tried it, but it worked.
- jay-anderson 10y ago
  I'd argue that even the 'free' upgrade is not free. For example a windows 8 install which used the free windows 10 upgrade will require purchasing a full license to make any significant hardware changes. I'm liking lots of things microsoft is doing as of late, but I still don't like a lot of their business practices and they are ruining their operating systems infesting it with ads.
EGreg 10y ago
Probably less effective than showing a celebrity you're no longer a fan by unfollowing them on twitter. They won't care. They can get people using other means.
coldtea 10y ago
>I'm aware that Windows 10 is a "free" OS, but trying to ram this type of behaviour down my throat is despicable unethical behaviour and I don't condone it. It is why I've switched to Linux for my daily computing needs. That would make sense if the benefits were more than the costs. Which, for the average people, aren't. Just the hassle of using a new interface, much less one that needs more admin work like Linux, is enough. And let's not go with compatibility with the various tasks people do. (And no, most people don't just "browse and read email". They also want to be able to see all kinds of videos, they want to be able to do stuff with Office documents they receive, they want to transfer and/or edit their daughter's birthday videos, and so on...).
- cutler 10y ago
  Linux sometimes isn't even compatible with standard open source software. Recently I installed Lubuntu LTS on a 5-year-old Celeron laptop and was dismayed to see LibreOffice with clunky grey window borders looking like a 1998 Java applet. The menu bar was also blacked-out. The owner was not impressed.
  - lutusp 10y ago
    Your basic point is legitimate, but in passing I want to say that in Linux distributions you can change the windows decorators/formats to suit yourself, often including a theme designed to resemble Windows. Not to detract from the point you're making, which is quite valid.
    - recursive 10y ago
      On Windows, you can change the presence of ads in Explorer to suit yourself also.
      - H4CK3RM4N 10y ago
        But advertising/"telemetry" preferences seem to accidentally get reset every few forced upgrades.
dc3k 10y ago
> trying to ram this type of behaviour down my throat is despicable unethical behaviour and I don't condone it. It is why I've switched to Linux for my daily computing needs. Last time I used Linux (well, Ubuntu specifically) every time I searched for anything in the file system I would see at least half a dozen ads for products on Amazon. Significantly worse than anything I've ever seen in Windows 10 personally. Uninstalled it and never using it again.
- pmiller2 10y ago
  Really? I've never seen that. Is it under GNOME in the default install?
  - pikzen 10y ago
    It was in one of Ubuntu's releases, 16.04 I believe? Unity included Amazon results in its search results. EDIT: 12.04. Time flies. Memory sucks.
    - ericd 10y ago
      I'm using 16.04 right now, how does one trigger those? I've never seen them.
      - pikzen 10y ago
        I was wrong, it was actually in the 12.04 days. Didn't remember it to be so long ago. I believe it's disabled by default in newer releases. http://www.pcworld.com/article/2840401/ubuntus-unity-8-desktop-removes-the-amazon-search-spyware.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/2840401/ubuntus-unity-8-deskt...
        aban 10y ago
        It was indeed 12.04 and only affecting Unity (Canonical's Desktop Environment), not other DE's like GNOME or KDE. You should check out https://fixubuntu.com https://fixubuntu.com nonetheless, which surfaced at that time, is still up and relevant.
overcast 10y ago
Let's just be realistic here, the general public is not ever going to switch a Linux desktop. I've been hearing about it for 25 years, how this year is going to be the year of Linux on the desktop. Not ever happening. Mac MAYBE, but Linux, never. And for the handful of us nerds that do switch, Microsoft doesn't care. The Enterprise is where they make their money, and they are DEFINITELY NOT switching away from Windows desktops.
- wildrhythms 10y ago
  I feel like there's a cyclical gridlock between businesses and business software vendors in which neither party can afford to be the "first" to move to a new platform. It's like a comical game of chicken because in less than a decade all of this software is going to be in a web browser anyway.
  - SteveNuts 10y ago
    I think with the rise of cloud based productivity software (Google Docs, etc.) we'll see a rise in alternative OS's. I know one of the big issues with adopting Linux on the desktop in companies is the issue with access control (something like AD's Group Policy). It's amazing how you can control pretty much every permission/policy imaginable within your domain using AD, and until something like that comes out for Linux it won't get adopted.
    - H4CK3RM4N 10y ago
      The sad part here is that Linux is actually really good for that by design (if you take the time to understand Unix permissions).
      - SteveNuts 10y ago
        That's true, we use Red Hat's IDM and it's very nice.
    - digi_owl 10y ago
      The sad thing is that MS office is about more than editing documents these days. Thanks to embedded VB scripts etc the suite is more a RAD environment for office drones. There is an untold number of business processes that are effectively encoded into a excel spreadsheet sprinkled with scripts.
ebbv 10y ago
This kind of shit is exactly why I retired my PC. Done with all Microsoft products.
ReverseCold 10y ago
I'll say it again on HN: I have never seen an ad on Windows 10 Pro except: - Candy Crush - Edge Homescreen (hardly counts)
- nu5500 10y ago
  I have Windows 10 Pro AND an Office 365 subscription and the damn thing showed up for me. While I use and enjoy quite a few Microsoft products, I feel like there are just some baffling, ill thought out, and ham-fisted mistakes going on there with how these ads are being pushed out. They look tacky and I can only imagine they're doing more harm than good. For example, the ads for Edge that now show up touting that you can stream longer with Edge. Really? I don't know anyone that that would convince to stop using Chrome. How about maybe something more basic like changing the logo, since every non-technical user that I know just thinks it's Internet Explorer and it's been pounded into their brains for years (and for good reason) to use Firefox or Chrome instead.
sova 10y ago
I know right?! How horrendously vile! "Hey, I know it wasn't clear that the consumer was actually the product before, so let's cut to the chase and let you know that you're really just an advertising-consuming-biological machine." How painfully and uncouthly reductive. Making your products skip the whole "getting infected by Malware before they show you advertisements all the time" is not the solution to making money, or growing your brand, or having long-term success. Rather, it looks more like the final hoo-rah of a sinking ship.
- Arizhel 10y ago
  Sinking ship? Microsoft's financials are quite solid. And just look at the comments here in this thread, on "Hacker News", a site you think would be full of techies: they're mostly advocating sticking with Windows. How on Earth is Microsoft a "sinking ship"? Apple's laptops, by contrast, are the ones that seem to be going downhill, with that company concentrating on its mobile phones. Where are all the Windows users going to go? Not to Apple, and apparently not to Linux either judging by the marketshare numbers and comments here. Microsoft is doing exactly the right thing here, loading up their OS with spyware and adware to make money from their users. I see nothing at all wrong with them abusing users as much as they want, with forced reboots, forced ads, poorly-QAed driver updates causing system malfunctions, etc. Their customers have proven over and over and over that they will not abandon the Windows platform no matter what, so it's perfectly sensible for Microsoft to exploit this for monetary gain. And given that the techies on sites like this are generally libertarian, anyone who complains about MS's behavior is most likely a hypocrite.
paulddraper 10y ago
That's great. Here's why most people don't: they like editing Word documents, using Bluetooth, playing AAA games, printing and scanning, connecting to external monitors, watching DVDs, and transferring files from their phones.
- Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
  >they like editing Word documents LibreOffice supports this and it works quite well. I would guess most people prefer google drive these days, though. >using Bluetooth Do you actually know anyone non-technical who has used bluetooth at all in the past 5 years? Or technical for that matter, I've used bluetooth maybe 3 times in that time frame and always had no issues on Linux. >playing AAA games This is your only legitimate point, but it grows less legitimate every day. >printing and scanning Works fine OOTB for nearly all printers and scanners using only GUIs to configure and use the devices. >connecting to external monitors This has worked perfectly fine for at least 10 years... >watching DVDs Also works just fine. >transferring files from their phones I do this all the time. Works OOTB on popular distros. The real problem is that people are change averse and that people like you spread uninformed FUD. Cut it out.
  - paulddraper 10y ago
    What you call "uninformed FUD" are unfortunately real problems I have had in the past 12 months on Lenovo Thinkpad W530 with Ubuntu 14.04. Perhaps I am missing the ever elusive combination of distro and machine.
    - Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
      Looks like there are a couple of minor issues that can be resolved with a trivial amount of research: http://www.linlap.com/lenovo_thinkpad_w530 http://www.linlap.com/lenovo_thinkpad_w530 If you hit other problems, did you do any research? Did you ask for support anywhere?
      - Karunamon 10y ago
alextooter 10y ago
Yes,I using macOS now.
bradgessler 10y ago
Linux isn't entirely immune to this. Ubuntu had Amazon search integration https://www.howtogeek.com/188589/5-things-you-need-to-know-about-ubuntu-14.04-lts/ https://www.howtogeek.com/188589/5-things-you-need-to-know-a... A while back. Not sure where that stands today. Firefox was paid by Google in the past and I believe Yahoo these days. macOS had a connection with Bing in Spotlight. The current incarnation is just a dog with different fleas.
- laumars 10y ago
  > Linux isn't entirely immune to this. Ubuntu had Amazon search integration https://www.howtogeek.com/188589/5-things-you-need-to-know-a.. https://www.howtogeek.com/188589/5-things-you-need-to-know-a.... A while back. Not sure where that stands today. This is the most relevant of your 3 examples and Canonical got heavily criticised for it. They ended up reversing their decision. Which makes it all the more important that people take this example not as "It's ok for Microsoft to do it as well" but rather "We also shouldn't allow Microsoft to get away with this". >Firefox was paid by Google In the last and I believe Yahoo these days. The thing here is that when you type something in the search bar you are actually wanting to search for something online - given that it's a "search" bar. It kind of made sense for Google to be the default search engine as that is the most popular search engine in the west (ie what most people would prefer to default to) so even without Google's investment I can see the logic of having a Google search bar. In fact I would go further and say that's a well received productivity tool. However It's also very easy to change which online service is used in the search bar - or even to remove it entirely. So the Google investment does not lock you into using Google services on Firefox. Thus I see no conflict of interest with regards to Google's donations to Firefox.
  - bradgessler 10y ago
    Re: Ubuntu's decision to reverse ad integration, perhaps there's hope that with enough criticism Microsoft may re-evaluate integrating ads into explorer?
    - laumars 10y ago
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Markoff 10y ago
yeah, if i used my laptop for personal use is no problem bit i doubt there is solid CAT software for Android or Linux which could compete with SDL Trados studio
- vetinari 10y ago
  Do you really use Studio? Most people I know seem to prefer the old Workbench. Big customers are also switching to web-based tools, where they can, among other thing, track the progress status easily.
  - Markoff 10y ago
    tried few others, they are inferior to SDL Trados Studio, web based tools are also pretty horrible, I currently work on project for major search engine and tool we use is just horrible, I mean the speed, I waste like 30% of my time waiting for response from their server (I have like 150Mb home internet), when it works fast then it's great and I can do a lot of work, but most of the time I have to wait same goes for another major Chinese phone producer, their virtual phones in browser are just horrible, something I would check even with screenshots and Excel in 30mins take with virtual phone 1.5hour, complete waste of time I am yet, to experience any web based tool which would be superior for my work compared to offline apps oh, now that I mentioned it, certain big Japanese phone brand have really nice web tool where you can work superfast no problem 150-200 screenshots per hour including editing and highlighting bugs, but that was only exception to my experience with all other companies
    - vetinari 10y ago
      I'm already out of this business... The push for the web tools, I know only from talking to former colleagues. However, I did use the Studio few times and I didn't like it for the same reason you don't like web apps - it was big and slow like molasses. I did most of my work with (Trados) Workbench and TagEditor - these were lightning fast compared to Studio. So I guess, that it comes in cycles: fast forward few years and people will be complaining about the latest tools and how the previous web apps were quick and easy :).
sgift 10y ago
Sure, give me a product which handles all of my use cases (that includes gaming) and I'll switch any minute.

city41 10y ago

Windows 10 is not free. The "free upgrade" period is over. MSRP for Windows 10 Home is $119.

userbinator 10y ago
That's why the parent put "free" in quotes. Unlike all the previous versions of Windows, MSFT decided to make this upgrade "free" for a while, but AFAIK it's still ridiculously easy to pirate Win10, and the "accessibility technologies" free upgrade loophole, which was said to be closing "very soon" many months ago, is still open. In other words, if you really don't want to pay, Microsoft still seems desperate to get you to "upgrade" to Win10... precisely so they can monetise you with ads (and might make more from you eventually even if you never paid for their OS). As a mass-exodus to Linux and macOS curretly seems unlikely, their strategy appears to be winning so far.
- TAForObvReasons 10y ago
  > As a mass-exodus to Linux and macOS curretly seems unlikely, their strategy appears to be winning so far. ... or people just install windows 7 / avoid upgrading to 10. Hard to call that a "win" Take everything with a grain of salt, but metrics still point to Windows 7 dominance: http://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/desktop/worldwide http://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/de... https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0 https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share...
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  - criddell 10y ago
    Isn't Microsoft starting to block updates to Windows 7 on new hardware?
    - clouddrover 10y ago
      Yes: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4012982/discusses-an-issue-in-which-you-receive-a-your-pc-uses-a-processor-tha https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4012982/discusses-a...
      - Mithaldu 10y ago
        They're not "blocking" updates, they've stopped writing and compiling them with the backwards compatibility shims that made them work on older hardware. They probably do this because it drives updates AND because it's cheaper, but please try to describe it accurately.
        clouddrover 10y ago
        > they've stopped writing and compiling them with the backwards compatibility shims that made them work on older hardware That claim doesn't stack up. Windows 10, for example, works fine on older hardware. As Microsoft said, they're blocking updates to Windows 7 and 8 if you try to run those OSes on newer hardware.
  - Pica_soO 10y ago
    How hard would it be to replace the ads with instructions to do a parallel Ubuntu install?
    - sova 10y ago
      I like the way you open source.
calvano915 10y ago
Installing Windows 10 on activated Windows 7/8 installs still upgrade to digitally entitled license. Just did it the other day. I didn't believe it 'til I tried it, but it worked.
jay-anderson 10y ago
I'd argue that even the 'free' upgrade is not free. For example a windows 8 install which used the free windows 10 upgrade will require purchasing a full license to make any significant hardware changes. I'm liking lots of things microsoft is doing as of late, but I still don't like a lot of their business practices and they are ruining their operating systems infesting it with ads.

EGreg 10y ago

Probably less effective than showing a celebrity you're no longer a fan by unfollowing them on twitter. They won't care. They can get people using other means.

coldtea 10y ago

>I'm aware that Windows 10 is a "free" OS, but trying to ram this type of behaviour down my throat is despicable unethical behaviour and I don't condone it. It is why I've switched to Linux for my daily computing needs. That would make sense if the benefits were more than the costs. Which, for the average people, aren't. Just the hassle of using a new interface, much less one that needs more admin work like Linux, is enough. And let's not go with compatibility with the various tasks people do. (And no, most people don't just "browse and read email". They also want to be able to see all kinds of videos, they want to be able to do stuff with Office documents they receive, they want to transfer and/or edit their daughter's birthday videos, and so on...).

cutler 10y ago
Linux sometimes isn't even compatible with standard open source software. Recently I installed Lubuntu LTS on a 5-year-old Celeron laptop and was dismayed to see LibreOffice with clunky grey window borders looking like a 1998 Java applet. The menu bar was also blacked-out. The owner was not impressed.
- lutusp 10y ago
  Your basic point is legitimate, but in passing I want to say that in Linux distributions you can change the windows decorators/formats to suit yourself, often including a theme designed to resemble Windows. Not to detract from the point you're making, which is quite valid.
  - recursive 10y ago
    On Windows, you can change the presence of ads in Explorer to suit yourself also.
    - H4CK3RM4N 10y ago
      But advertising/"telemetry" preferences seem to accidentally get reset every few forced upgrades.

dc3k 10y ago

> trying to ram this type of behaviour down my throat is despicable unethical behaviour and I don't condone it. It is why I've switched to Linux for my daily computing needs. Last time I used Linux (well, Ubuntu specifically) every time I searched for anything in the file system I would see at least half a dozen ads for products on Amazon. Significantly worse than anything I've ever seen in Windows 10 personally. Uninstalled it and never using it again.

pmiller2 10y ago
Really? I've never seen that. Is it under GNOME in the default install?
- pikzen 10y ago
  It was in one of Ubuntu's releases, 16.04 I believe? Unity included Amazon results in its search results. EDIT: 12.04. Time flies. Memory sucks.
  - ericd 10y ago
    I'm using 16.04 right now, how does one trigger those? I've never seen them.
    - pikzen 10y ago
      I was wrong, it was actually in the 12.04 days. Didn't remember it to be so long ago. I believe it's disabled by default in newer releases. http://www.pcworld.com/article/2840401/ubuntus-unity-8-desktop-removes-the-amazon-search-spyware.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/2840401/ubuntus-unity-8-deskt...
      - aban 10y ago
        It was indeed 12.04 and only affecting Unity (Canonical's Desktop Environment), not other DE's like GNOME or KDE. You should check out https://fixubuntu.com https://fixubuntu.com nonetheless, which surfaced at that time, is still up and relevant.

overcast 10y ago

Let's just be realistic here, the general public is not ever going to switch a Linux desktop. I've been hearing about it for 25 years, how this year is going to be the year of Linux on the desktop. Not ever happening. Mac MAYBE, but Linux, never. And for the handful of us nerds that do switch, Microsoft doesn't care. The Enterprise is where they make their money, and they are DEFINITELY NOT switching away from Windows desktops.

wildrhythms 10y ago
I feel like there's a cyclical gridlock between businesses and business software vendors in which neither party can afford to be the "first" to move to a new platform. It's like a comical game of chicken because in less than a decade all of this software is going to be in a web browser anyway.
- SteveNuts 10y ago
  I think with the rise of cloud based productivity software (Google Docs, etc.) we'll see a rise in alternative OS's. I know one of the big issues with adopting Linux on the desktop in companies is the issue with access control (something like AD's Group Policy). It's amazing how you can control pretty much every permission/policy imaginable within your domain using AD, and until something like that comes out for Linux it won't get adopted.
  - H4CK3RM4N 10y ago
    The sad part here is that Linux is actually really good for that by design (if you take the time to understand Unix permissions).
    - SteveNuts 10y ago
      That's true, we use Red Hat's IDM and it's very nice.
  - digi_owl 10y ago
    The sad thing is that MS office is about more than editing documents these days. Thanks to embedded VB scripts etc the suite is more a RAD environment for office drones. There is an untold number of business processes that are effectively encoded into a excel spreadsheet sprinkled with scripts.

ebbv 10y ago

This kind of shit is exactly why I retired my PC. Done with all Microsoft products.

ReverseCold 10y ago

I'll say it again on HN: I have never seen an ad on Windows 10 Pro except: - Candy Crush - Edge Homescreen (hardly counts)

nu5500 10y ago
I have Windows 10 Pro AND an Office 365 subscription and the damn thing showed up for me. While I use and enjoy quite a few Microsoft products, I feel like there are just some baffling, ill thought out, and ham-fisted mistakes going on there with how these ads are being pushed out. They look tacky and I can only imagine they're doing more harm than good. For example, the ads for Edge that now show up touting that you can stream longer with Edge. Really? I don't know anyone that that would convince to stop using Chrome. How about maybe something more basic like changing the logo, since every non-technical user that I know just thinks it's Internet Explorer and it's been pounded into their brains for years (and for good reason) to use Firefox or Chrome instead.

sova 10y ago

I know right?! How horrendously vile! "Hey, I know it wasn't clear that the consumer was actually the product before, so let's cut to the chase and let you know that you're really just an advertising-consuming-biological machine." How painfully and uncouthly reductive. Making your products skip the whole "getting infected by Malware before they show you advertisements all the time" is not the solution to making money, or growing your brand, or having long-term success. Rather, it looks more like the final hoo-rah of a sinking ship.

Arizhel 10y ago
Sinking ship? Microsoft's financials are quite solid. And just look at the comments here in this thread, on "Hacker News", a site you think would be full of techies: they're mostly advocating sticking with Windows. How on Earth is Microsoft a "sinking ship"? Apple's laptops, by contrast, are the ones that seem to be going downhill, with that company concentrating on its mobile phones. Where are all the Windows users going to go? Not to Apple, and apparently not to Linux either judging by the marketshare numbers and comments here. Microsoft is doing exactly the right thing here, loading up their OS with spyware and adware to make money from their users. I see nothing at all wrong with them abusing users as much as they want, with forced reboots, forced ads, poorly-QAed driver updates causing system malfunctions, etc. Their customers have proven over and over and over that they will not abandon the Windows platform no matter what, so it's perfectly sensible for Microsoft to exploit this for monetary gain. And given that the techies on sites like this are generally libertarian, anyone who complains about MS's behavior is most likely a hypocrite.

paulddraper 10y ago

That's great. Here's why most people don't: they like editing Word documents, using Bluetooth, playing AAA games, printing and scanning, connecting to external monitors, watching DVDs, and transferring files from their phones.

Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
>they like editing Word documents LibreOffice supports this and it works quite well. I would guess most people prefer google drive these days, though. >using Bluetooth Do you actually know anyone non-technical who has used bluetooth at all in the past 5 years? Or technical for that matter, I've used bluetooth maybe 3 times in that time frame and always had no issues on Linux. >playing AAA games This is your only legitimate point, but it grows less legitimate every day. >printing and scanning Works fine OOTB for nearly all printers and scanners using only GUIs to configure and use the devices. >connecting to external monitors This has worked perfectly fine for at least 10 years... >watching DVDs Also works just fine. >transferring files from their phones I do this all the time. Works OOTB on popular distros. The real problem is that people are change averse and that people like you spread uninformed FUD. Cut it out.
- paulddraper 10y ago
  What you call "uninformed FUD" are unfortunately real problems I have had in the past 12 months on Lenovo Thinkpad W530 with Ubuntu 14.04. Perhaps I am missing the ever elusive combination of distro and machine.
  - Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
    Looks like there are a couple of minor issues that can be resolved with a trivial amount of research: http://www.linlap.com/lenovo_thinkpad_w530 http://www.linlap.com/lenovo_thinkpad_w530 If you hit other problems, did you do any research? Did you ask for support anywhere?
    - Karunamon 10y ago

alextooter 10y ago

Yes,I using macOS now.

bradgessler 10y ago

Linux isn't entirely immune to this. Ubuntu had Amazon search integration https://www.howtogeek.com/188589/5-things-you-need-to-know-about-ubuntu-14.04-lts/ https://www.howtogeek.com/188589/5-things-you-need-to-know-a... A while back. Not sure where that stands today. Firefox was paid by Google in the past and I believe Yahoo these days. macOS had a connection with Bing in Spotlight. The current incarnation is just a dog with different fleas.

laumars 10y ago
> Linux isn't entirely immune to this. Ubuntu had Amazon search integration https://www.howtogeek.com/188589/5-things-you-need-to-know-a.. https://www.howtogeek.com/188589/5-things-you-need-to-know-a.... A while back. Not sure where that stands today. This is the most relevant of your 3 examples and Canonical got heavily criticised for it. They ended up reversing their decision. Which makes it all the more important that people take this example not as "It's ok for Microsoft to do it as well" but rather "We also shouldn't allow Microsoft to get away with this". >Firefox was paid by Google In the last and I believe Yahoo these days. The thing here is that when you type something in the search bar you are actually wanting to search for something online - given that it's a "search" bar. It kind of made sense for Google to be the default search engine as that is the most popular search engine in the west (ie what most people would prefer to default to) so even without Google's investment I can see the logic of having a Google search bar. In fact I would go further and say that's a well received productivity tool. However It's also very easy to change which online service is used in the search bar - or even to remove it entirely. So the Google investment does not lock you into using Google services on Firefox. Thus I see no conflict of interest with regards to Google's donations to Firefox.
- bradgessler 10y ago
  Re: Ubuntu's decision to reverse ad integration, perhaps there's hope that with enough criticism Microsoft may re-evaluate integrating ads into explorer?
  - laumars 10y ago

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Markoff 10y ago

yeah, if i used my laptop for personal use is no problem bit i doubt there is solid CAT software for Android or Linux which could compete with SDL Trados studio

vetinari 10y ago
Do you really use Studio? Most people I know seem to prefer the old Workbench. Big customers are also switching to web-based tools, where they can, among other thing, track the progress status easily.
- Markoff 10y ago
  tried few others, they are inferior to SDL Trados Studio, web based tools are also pretty horrible, I currently work on project for major search engine and tool we use is just horrible, I mean the speed, I waste like 30% of my time waiting for response from their server (I have like 150Mb home internet), when it works fast then it's great and I can do a lot of work, but most of the time I have to wait same goes for another major Chinese phone producer, their virtual phones in browser are just horrible, something I would check even with screenshots and Excel in 30mins take with virtual phone 1.5hour, complete waste of time I am yet, to experience any web based tool which would be superior for my work compared to offline apps oh, now that I mentioned it, certain big Japanese phone brand have really nice web tool where you can work superfast no problem 150-200 screenshots per hour including editing and highlighting bugs, but that was only exception to my experience with all other companies
  - vetinari 10y ago
    I'm already out of this business... The push for the web tools, I know only from talking to former colleagues. However, I did use the Studio few times and I didn't like it for the same reason you don't like web apps - it was big and slow like molasses. I did most of my work with (Trados) Workbench and TagEditor - these were lightning fast compared to Studio. So I guess, that it comes in cycles: fast forward few years and people will be complaining about the latest tools and how the previous web apps were quick and easy :).

sgift 10y ago

Sure, give me a product which handles all of my use cases (that includes gaming) and I'll switch any minute.