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"I used to use a Hackintosh. It was a time-consuming thing, I feared OS updates, and I could never be sure about the reliability (you can get really weird probl

by rsync 10y ago

"I used to use a Hackintosh. It was a time-consuming thing, I feared OS updates, and I could never be sure about the reliability (you can get really weird problems sometimes. I then switched over to a Mac Pro (cheese grater) and was very happy with it. Unfortunately, since the trash can Mac Pro I'm left out in the cold, so I'm considering running a Hackintosh again..." As the owner of an early-2009 octo-mac-pro, I am very interested in learning about how to max that system out to the gills. For instance, I am under the impression that it is now possible to boot from a pci based SSD card on that system. Further, I believe it is possible to add a card that gives me USB3/SATA3 (although if I am booting from PCI, I don't really care if my slow mass storage internal four drives are SATA2). Finally, I think there is some apple-blessed video card that is quite a bit stronger than the original GT120 cards I have in my system. I've seen bits and pieces here and there about maxing out a mac pro and bringing it very close to "modern" but it would be nice if it was all in one place somewhere... FWIW, other than maxing out the ram, I really have no problem with the existing RAM options and the dual-cpus that I already have (which bring me to octo-core). Even 8 years later, the machine is not slowing me down at all in the cpu/ram department (and I only have 6 GB).

iamacynic 10y ago
a while ago i paid the premium for the mac sapphire hd 7950 and it works great. it significantly speeds everything up and allows me to run 4k + another display on my cheese grater 2008 pro. i'm sure it's probably very easy to make a non-mac video card work but i can't be bothered.
haxxorfreak 10y ago
I have the same Early 2009 octa-core model and have done a few upgrades here and there and I have to say I find the system nearly as responsive as the new 2016 MacBook Pro I use at work. The first thing I added was a CalDigit FASTA-6GU3 SATA3/USB3 card. This gives you two internal SATA3 connectors (bootable) which I'm using for my macOS boot SSD. It also has two eSATA ports and 2x USB 3.0 ports and only takes up a single PCIe slot. They've since come out with a new card that adds a USB 3.1 Type-C port. No drivers needed, it "just works". Next was a NVIDIA GTX 970 card, this works perfectly in 10.11/10.12 once you've used the GT120 card to install the NVIDIA Web Drivers. You don't get the boot screen unless you get the card ROM flashed by macvidcards.com ($$) but I haven't found this to inconvenient as I have left the GT120 in a spare PCIe slot so if I need to use the boot selector for some reason I can just swap the mini-DisplayPort cable over. You can go up to a GTX 980 Ti but you're limited to Maxwell cards as NVIDIA hasn't released macOS drivers for Pascal. Finally I picked up 64GB of DDR3 1333 MHz ECC RAM on eBay that was pulled from server for under $200, this was mainly to fulfill my dreams of being able to say I have 64GB of RAM but I run a lot of VMs for network simulations and it really helps to have the extra memory. I've also flashed the SMC so the machine thinks it's a MacPro5,1 of the 2010+ generation, you'll need to do this if you want to upgrade the CPUs (I haven't yet) but has the added benefit of letting 10.12 install without any hacks or modifications to the OS. If you're on 10.11 now you'll have to disable SIP temporarily to run the firmware update but it was otherwise quick and painless, this is the best place I found with clear instructions: http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,852.0.html http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,852.0.html All in all this is the best Mac I've ever owned and it amazes me it works as well as it does being almost 8 years old now.
- rsync 10y ago
  Great - many thanks - this is very helpful. "Next was a NVIDIA GTX 970 card" How many PCI slots does that card take up ? I currently drive four monitors with my mac pro and the single slot aspect of the gt120s makes that easy ... "All in all this is the best Mac I've ever owned and it amazes me it works as well as it does being almost 8 years old now." I know, right ? I regularly have 20+ chrome tabs open along with 1-2 VMs running in vmware fusion and I have never once felt like the system was slow. My only issue is that I have only ever run snow leopard on it and now chrome no longer has updates, so I need to move to ... mavericks maybe ? I feel like mavericks is the most stable/sane OSX release since SL ...
  - kalleboo 10y ago
    > My only issue is that I have only ever run snow leopard on it and now chrome no longer has updates, so I need to move to ... mavericks maybe ? I feel like mavericks is the most stable/sane OSX release since SL ... This will obviously depend on the hardware/software you use but Mavericks was the buggiest and worst OS X release on my rMBP. I was rebooting weekly due to weird graphics drivers glitches and inexplicable OS slowdowns. El Cap had a rough start, but was fine after a couple point releases. I've had no issues whatsoever with Sierra.
    - arm 10y ago
      El Capitan is probably the best choice at this time; Sierra is an absolute train wreck: http://tidbits.com/article/16966 http://tidbits.com/article/16966 EDIT: 10.12.3 doesn’t seem to be much better, sadly: http://tidbits.com/article/17010 http://tidbits.com/article/17010
      - kalleboo 10y ago
        Sounds like it's only an "absolute train wreck" if your workflow depends on editing PDFs with annotation layers in software that uses PDFKit. My interaction with PDFs starts with viewing a linked one in Safari and ends with "save as PDF to web receipts folder" and for that kind of usage there are absolutely no problems. I always thought that for anything half-advanced with PDFs (like filling out forms) you'd want to install Acrobat Reader anyway...
frou_dh 10y ago
> I am under the impression that it is now possible to boot from a pci based SSD card on that system. Yep, put a Samsung SM951 M.2 (AHCI version, not NVMe) on a Lycom DT-120 PCIe mounting card. Got two of those in a MP5,1 myself.
ttcbj 10y ago
FWIW, I have a Mid 2010 Mac Pro. I found it was getting slow. I tried putting a lot of memory in it, to little effect. Then, I put this: https://www.amazon.com/OWC-Accelsior-PCIe-SATA-Adapter/dp/B00WUZPMHE/ref=cm_rdp_product https://www.amazon.com/OWC-Accelsior-PCIe-SATA-Adapter/dp/B0... And this: SAMSUNG 850 PRO 2.5" 1TB SATA III 3-D Vertical Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-7KE1T0BW In it as my system drive. The volume looks external (its got that orange and white icon), but everything has worked perfectly for about 18 months. It boots just fine. For me, the performance increase with this change was incredible. Its like a new computer. I my OS and all my installed applications on it. I keep all my data on traditional drives in the other four bays. Its like a brand new computer. It was completely worth it. Right now, I use it for very intensive workloads of various kind, and never even think about replacing it. Finally, you can find a lot of info online about whether you should enable TRIM or not. FWIW, I did do it, and its been working fine for 18 months: https://www.cnet.com/how-to/installing-ssd-on-mac-trim-mistake/ https://www.cnet.com/how-to/installing-ssd-on-mac-trim-mista... I cannot remember at this point how I copied the data over. I do remember that whatever method I found on google worked quite quickly, and that there were no hassles with it. After doing some kind of copy operation, I booted to the new drive and never went back. Hope this helps.

by rsync 10y ago

iamacynic 10y ago

a while ago i paid the premium for the mac sapphire hd 7950 and it works great. it significantly speeds everything up and allows me to run 4k + another display on my cheese grater 2008 pro. i'm sure it's probably very easy to make a non-mac video card work but i can't be bothered.

haxxorfreak 10y ago

I have the same Early 2009 octa-core model and have done a few upgrades here and there and I have to say I find the system nearly as responsive as the new 2016 MacBook Pro I use at work. The first thing I added was a CalDigit FASTA-6GU3 SATA3/USB3 card. This gives you two internal SATA3 connectors (bootable) which I'm using for my macOS boot SSD. It also has two eSATA ports and 2x USB 3.0 ports and only takes up a single PCIe slot. They've since come out with a new card that adds a USB 3.1 Type-C port. No drivers needed, it "just works". Next was a NVIDIA GTX 970 card, this works perfectly in 10.11/10.12 once you've used the GT120 card to install the NVIDIA Web Drivers. You don't get the boot screen unless you get the card ROM flashed by macvidcards.com ($$) but I haven't found this to inconvenient as I have left the GT120 in a spare PCIe slot so if I need to use the boot selector for some reason I can just swap the mini-DisplayPort cable over. You can go up to a GTX 980 Ti but you're limited to Maxwell cards as NVIDIA hasn't released macOS drivers for Pascal. Finally I picked up 64GB of DDR3 1333 MHz ECC RAM on eBay that was pulled from server for under $200, this was mainly to fulfill my dreams of being able to say I have 64GB of RAM but I run a lot of VMs for network simulations and it really helps to have the extra memory. I've also flashed the SMC so the machine thinks it's a MacPro5,1 of the 2010+ generation, you'll need to do this if you want to upgrade the CPUs (I haven't yet) but has the added benefit of letting 10.12 install without any hacks or modifications to the OS. If you're on 10.11 now you'll have to disable SIP temporarily to run the firmware update but it was otherwise quick and painless, this is the best place I found with clear instructions: http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,852.0.html http://forum.netkas.org/index.php/topic,852.0.html All in all this is the best Mac I've ever owned and it amazes me it works as well as it does being almost 8 years old now.

rsync 10y ago
Great - many thanks - this is very helpful. "Next was a NVIDIA GTX 970 card" How many PCI slots does that card take up ? I currently drive four monitors with my mac pro and the single slot aspect of the gt120s makes that easy ... "All in all this is the best Mac I've ever owned and it amazes me it works as well as it does being almost 8 years old now." I know, right ? I regularly have 20+ chrome tabs open along with 1-2 VMs running in vmware fusion and I have never once felt like the system was slow. My only issue is that I have only ever run snow leopard on it and now chrome no longer has updates, so I need to move to ... mavericks maybe ? I feel like mavericks is the most stable/sane OSX release since SL ...
- kalleboo 10y ago
  > My only issue is that I have only ever run snow leopard on it and now chrome no longer has updates, so I need to move to ... mavericks maybe ? I feel like mavericks is the most stable/sane OSX release since SL ... This will obviously depend on the hardware/software you use but Mavericks was the buggiest and worst OS X release on my rMBP. I was rebooting weekly due to weird graphics drivers glitches and inexplicable OS slowdowns. El Cap had a rough start, but was fine after a couple point releases. I've had no issues whatsoever with Sierra.
  - arm 10y ago
    El Capitan is probably the best choice at this time; Sierra is an absolute train wreck: http://tidbits.com/article/16966 http://tidbits.com/article/16966 EDIT: 10.12.3 doesn’t seem to be much better, sadly: http://tidbits.com/article/17010 http://tidbits.com/article/17010
    - kalleboo 10y ago
      Sounds like it's only an "absolute train wreck" if your workflow depends on editing PDFs with annotation layers in software that uses PDFKit. My interaction with PDFs starts with viewing a linked one in Safari and ends with "save as PDF to web receipts folder" and for that kind of usage there are absolutely no problems. I always thought that for anything half-advanced with PDFs (like filling out forms) you'd want to install Acrobat Reader anyway...

frou_dh 10y ago

> I am under the impression that it is now possible to boot from a pci based SSD card on that system. Yep, put a Samsung SM951 M.2 (AHCI version, not NVMe) on a Lycom DT-120 PCIe mounting card. Got two of those in a MP5,1 myself.

ttcbj 10y ago

FWIW, I have a Mid 2010 Mac Pro. I found it was getting slow. I tried putting a lot of memory in it, to little effect. Then, I put this: https://www.amazon.com/OWC-Accelsior-PCIe-SATA-Adapter/dp/B00WUZPMHE/ref=cm_rdp_product https://www.amazon.com/OWC-Accelsior-PCIe-SATA-Adapter/dp/B0... And this: SAMSUNG 850 PRO 2.5" 1TB SATA III 3-D Vertical Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-7KE1T0BW In it as my system drive. The volume looks external (its got that orange and white icon), but everything has worked perfectly for about 18 months. It boots just fine. For me, the performance increase with this change was incredible. Its like a new computer. I my OS and all my installed applications on it. I keep all my data on traditional drives in the other four bays. Its like a brand new computer. It was completely worth it. Right now, I use it for very intensive workloads of various kind, and never even think about replacing it. Finally, you can find a lot of info online about whether you should enable TRIM or not. FWIW, I did do it, and its been working fine for 18 months: https://www.cnet.com/how-to/installing-ssd-on-mac-trim-mistake/ https://www.cnet.com/how-to/installing-ssd-on-mac-trim-mista... I cannot remember at this point how I copied the data over. I do remember that whatever method I found on google worked quite quickly, and that there were no hassles with it. After doing some kind of copy operation, I booted to the new drive and never went back. Hope this helps.