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The article also states that they were unable to find any meaningful differences between poilitical ideologies and intellectual humility, yet they go on to stat

The article also states that they were unable to find any meaningful differences between poilitical ideologies and intellectual humility, yet they go on to state > "They were also less likely to criticize that politician for “flip-flopping.” There was less variability among Democrats: Democrats, whether intellectually arrogant or humble, were generally less likely to criticize a politician for changing his mind." Completely refuting that point only a few paragraphs later. I think that this study, like all social science research, must be taken with an extreme grain of salt.

SamBam 10y ago
I don't think it's contradicting itself at all. It's saying (1) there's no strong correlation between ideology and intellectual humility, by their measures, and (2) while intellectual humility generally correlated with not criticizing a politician for flip-flopping, Democrats across the board we're also less likely to criticize. Saying that correlation 2 is not string (because humbleness is not a good predictor of not-criticizing asking Democrats) does not negate point 1.
- smhost 10y ago
  > Intellectual humility was associated with a greater willingness to believe and vote for a candidate who changed his position on an issue. Being open to the possibility of changing their own beliefs, people higher in intellectual humility view such behaviors more positively when observed in others. Interestingly, however, the effect was obtained only for participants who identified themselves as Republicans even though intellectual humility scores did not differ among Republicans, Democrats, and Independents. (DOI: 10.1177/0146167217697695) It's very badly written, but it says that correlation 2 is present only among Republicans. Which, as you said, doesn't negate point 1, but it's still a weird and interesting result.
jwdunne 10y ago
I'd have thought adherence to ideology is the opposite of the humility described. I've met free market capitalists and revolutionary socialists that refuse to accept anything but their view on what's best for society by and large, which is the strict adherence to the tenets of their ideologies. Is it possible to buy into only parts of an ideology or is it actually just pragmatic and a display of humility in accepting that some parts of an ideology may work in some situations?
- WhitneyLand 10y ago
  >Is it possible to buy into only parts of an ideology Yes. One example is Christianity. >is it actually just pragmatic and a display of humility in accepting that some parts of an ideology may work in some situations? Yes. In fact good science requires that practioners be willing to consider that new ideas that may possibly be contradictory and superior to their own. Not sure why for some of us this seems the obvious and only logical way to proceed while many will spend a lifetime not realizing it.
  - jwdunne 10y ago
    Thank you :) the point I was hoping to make is whether a choice can be considered ideological if it is compatible with an ideology but yet chosen purely for pragmatic reasons? Very difficult to word. I often thought pragmatism is at odds with ideologism.
    - WhitneyLand 10y ago
      Oh I see, then forget the first reply. :) My take would be no, it's definitely not ideological in that case. On a macro scale war comes to mind. In WWII would you agree countries had a lot of pragmatic motivations unrelated to Nazi ideology? Individually what about something as simple as being a vegetarian? Motivation could be ideological like religion or choosing not to harm animals, but some just see it as a healthy life style.
watwut 10y ago
It is not contradicting. Republicans are more likely to criticize politicians for changing their minds, but it is not because they would be less humble. That does not contradict finding that hubleness and dislike for flip flop are correlated, it just says that there are other factors in play.

SamBam 10y ago

I don't think it's contradicting itself at all. It's saying (1) there's no strong correlation between ideology and intellectual humility, by their measures, and (2) while intellectual humility generally correlated with not criticizing a politician for flip-flopping, Democrats across the board we're also less likely to criticize. Saying that correlation 2 is not string (because humbleness is not a good predictor of not-criticizing asking Democrats) does not negate point 1.

smhost 10y ago
> Intellectual humility was associated with a greater willingness to believe and vote for a candidate who changed his position on an issue. Being open to the possibility of changing their own beliefs, people higher in intellectual humility view such behaviors more positively when observed in others. Interestingly, however, the effect was obtained only for participants who identified themselves as Republicans even though intellectual humility scores did not differ among Republicans, Democrats, and Independents. (DOI: 10.1177/0146167217697695) It's very badly written, but it says that correlation 2 is present only among Republicans. Which, as you said, doesn't negate point 1, but it's still a weird and interesting result.

jwdunne 10y ago

I'd have thought adherence to ideology is the opposite of the humility described. I've met free market capitalists and revolutionary socialists that refuse to accept anything but their view on what's best for society by and large, which is the strict adherence to the tenets of their ideologies. Is it possible to buy into only parts of an ideology or is it actually just pragmatic and a display of humility in accepting that some parts of an ideology may work in some situations?

WhitneyLand 10y ago
>Is it possible to buy into only parts of an ideology Yes. One example is Christianity. >is it actually just pragmatic and a display of humility in accepting that some parts of an ideology may work in some situations? Yes. In fact good science requires that practioners be willing to consider that new ideas that may possibly be contradictory and superior to their own. Not sure why for some of us this seems the obvious and only logical way to proceed while many will spend a lifetime not realizing it.
- jwdunne 10y ago
  Thank you :) the point I was hoping to make is whether a choice can be considered ideological if it is compatible with an ideology but yet chosen purely for pragmatic reasons? Very difficult to word. I often thought pragmatism is at odds with ideologism.
  - WhitneyLand 10y ago
    Oh I see, then forget the first reply. :) My take would be no, it's definitely not ideological in that case. On a macro scale war comes to mind. In WWII would you agree countries had a lot of pragmatic motivations unrelated to Nazi ideology? Individually what about something as simple as being a vegetarian? Motivation could be ideological like religion or choosing not to harm animals, but some just see it as a healthy life style.

watwut 10y ago

It is not contradicting. Republicans are more likely to criticize politicians for changing their minds, but it is not because they would be less humble. That does not contradict finding that hubleness and dislike for flip flop are correlated, it just says that there are other factors in play.