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Of course that's not what he's saying. Can we please apply the Principle Of Charity as the hosts have requested of us here and not resort to these sorts of rhe

Of course that's not what he's saying. Can we please apply the Principle Of Charity as the hosts have requested of us here and not resort to these sorts of rhetorical tricks?

onion2k 10y ago
I'm not suggesting the GP is saying having accessible services is bad. I'm asking if he believes legislation to ensure services are accessible is bad. As someone who believes web developers are often lazy and don't just do these things because they should I think the laws are important and necessary, else people will be left out from accessing what they need to access. I'd love to hear a counter argument if there is one.
- noir_lord 10y ago
  > As someone who believes web developers are often lazy There is some of that however what I've found there is more of is "We don't want to provide you the resources in manpower/budget/programmer time to make things accessible". That and the laws are rarely enforced even WCAG is rarely implemented. I'd love it if there was a clear bar for accessibility that was legally enforced as then I could say to clients "You have to do this to comply with the law" which is a much clearer "sell" than "You should make this accessible to <foo|bar> and it'll cost <fizz|buzz>" since clients largely don't care. Now someone will argue that I should just make everything accessible anyway but I have to bill for that time/work/testing which means I'll be more expensive than my competitor who doesn't do that and clients are incredibly price-sensitive. It's a hard thing to balance. The internal product I'm currently building will be accessible, not just it passes WCAG checker accessible (which is a horribly low bar) but really accessible, I'm even planning to buy a couple of screen reader software (which is way expensive btw) and using it as part of my integration testing.

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Of course that's not what he's saying. Can we please apply the Principle Of Charity as the hosts have requested of us here and not resort to these sorts of rhe

by Gargoyle 10y ago

Of course that's not what he's saying. Can we please apply the Principle Of Charity as the hosts have requested of us here and not resort to these sorts of rhetorical tricks?

onion2k 10y ago
I'm not suggesting the GP is saying having accessible services is bad. I'm asking if he believes legislation to ensure services are accessible is bad. As someone who believes web developers are often lazy and don't just do these things because they should I think the laws are important and necessary, else people will be left out from accessing what they need to access. I'd love to hear a counter argument if there is one.
- noir_lord 10y ago
  > As someone who believes web developers are often lazy There is some of that however what I've found there is more of is "We don't want to provide you the resources in manpower/budget/programmer time to make things accessible". That and the laws are rarely enforced even WCAG is rarely implemented. I'd love it if there was a clear bar for accessibility that was legally enforced as then I could say to clients "You have to do this to comply with the law" which is a much clearer "sell" than "You should make this accessible to <foo|bar> and it'll cost <fizz|buzz>" since clients largely don't care. Now someone will argue that I should just make everything accessible anyway but I have to bill for that time/work/testing which means I'll be more expensive than my competitor who doesn't do that and clients are incredibly price-sensitive. It's a hard thing to balance. The internal product I'm currently building will be accessible, not just it passes WCAG checker accessible (which is a horribly low bar) but really accessible, I'm even planning to buy a couple of screen reader software (which is way expensive btw) and using it as part of my integration testing.