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I'm more comfortable with the Chinese holding my data than some Western governments. The simple reason is that I do not live in China and they literally cannot

by 98192819 10y ago

I'm more comfortable with the Chinese holding my data than some Western governments. The simple reason is that I do not live in China and they literally cannot do much with it.

jacquesm 10y ago
> they literally cannot do much with it. You lack imagination. Blackmail, espionage, economic advantage are all possible if a you have the kind of data that Palantir is fairly routinely assumed to have access to. https://techcrunch.com/2015/01/11/leaked-palantir-doc-reveals-uses-specific-functions-and-key-clients/ https://techcrunch.com/2015/01/11/leaked-palantir-doc-reveal... If you feel that in light of that the Chinese having access to such information is a no-op then I have no further counter arguments.
- jessaustin 10y ago
  Do I lack "imagination" because I'm less worried about "the Chinese" seeing "mah datah" than about USA LEOs seeing it? Very few Americans have suffered injustice at the hands of PRC. Meanwhile back in USA, 1% of adults are incarcerated and 2% are on parole.
  - jacquesm 10y ago
    Well, depending on who you are the threat might shift from the one to the other. But why make it easier on any of these groups? At least you get to vote in the US elections and if enough people do what's right you might be able to change something about those percentages.
    - jessaustin 10y ago
      It has been decades since the winner was anyone I voted for.
M_Grey 10y ago
Well they could do what any hacker does with your personal info... use it. Bundle and sell it. Whatever else they feel like. What you're saying is wildly short-sighted, and frankly bound in a very dangerous false dichotomy.
- Vivtek 10y ago
  China cannot detain me on entering the United States based on my Google search history.
  - M_Grey 10y ago
    Sure, they can just threaten to hand off your information to people who will, or will do worse. I'm not excusing the US, but be real, China keeps a file on each other citizens with a "loyalty" score. They're already doing what politicians here merely plan to do.

I'm more comfortable with the Chinese holding my data than some Western governments. The simple reason is that I do not live in China and they literally cannot do much with it.

jacquesm 10y ago

> they literally cannot do much with it. You lack imagination. Blackmail, espionage, economic advantage are all possible if a you have the kind of data that Palantir is fairly routinely assumed to have access to. https://techcrunch.com/2015/01/11/leaked-palantir-doc-reveals-uses-specific-functions-and-key-clients/ https://techcrunch.com/2015/01/11/leaked-palantir-doc-reveal... If you feel that in light of that the Chinese having access to such information is a no-op then I have no further counter arguments.

jessaustin 10y ago
Do I lack "imagination" because I'm less worried about "the Chinese" seeing "mah datah" than about USA LEOs seeing it? Very few Americans have suffered injustice at the hands of PRC. Meanwhile back in USA, 1% of adults are incarcerated and 2% are on parole.
- jacquesm 10y ago
  Well, depending on who you are the threat might shift from the one to the other. But why make it easier on any of these groups? At least you get to vote in the US elections and if enough people do what's right you might be able to change something about those percentages.
  - jessaustin 10y ago
    It has been decades since the winner was anyone I voted for.

M_Grey 10y ago

Well they could do what any hacker does with your personal info... use it. Bundle and sell it. Whatever else they feel like. What you're saying is wildly short-sighted, and frankly bound in a very dangerous false dichotomy.

Vivtek 10y ago
China cannot detain me on entering the United States based on my Google search history.
- M_Grey 10y ago
  Sure, they can just threaten to hand off your information to people who will, or will do worse. I'm not excusing the US, but be real, China keeps a file on each other citizens with a "loyalty" score. They're already doing what politicians here merely plan to do.