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It's likely FODMAPs: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FODMAP https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FODMAP These are found in foods that coincidentally also contain gl

by cgh 10y ago

It's likely FODMAPs: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FODMAP https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FODMAP These are found in foods that coincidentally also contain gluten and there's a demonstrated effect on digestion.

tssva 10y ago
Exactly this. Most of the foods people with "gluten sensitivity" start to avoid also happen to be triggers for IBS which is most likely their real issue.
jamesrcole 10y ago
You claim it's likely FODMAPs. What's your evidence for that?
- basch 10y ago
  the guy who first brought up gluten sensitivity recanted and now cites FODMAPs as the likely cause. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23648697 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23648697 which happens to be the article your commenting on to begin with!, just for some reason a dupe from two years later. its in the first sentence of the abstract.
  - jamesrcole 10y ago
    I have a friend who strictly follows a low FODMAP diet, so I'm fairly familiar with it. The thing is, if you are following a strict gluten-free diet it is very likely you are eating lots of high-FODMAP foods! (have a look at http://www.ibsdiets.org/fodmap-diet/fodmap-food-list/ http://www.ibsdiets.org/fodmap-diet/fodmap-food-list/ for example, if you want to check it out for yourself). So I don't see how "avoiding gluten" could be confused with FODMAP issues in most cases. Also, as I've posted in another comment, there's been more recent research, in a reputable journal, which has found a biological explanation of wheat sensitivity. See this article for a write-up: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/07/160726123632.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/07/160726123632.h...
    - basch 10y ago
      the article you posted is for Wheat, not Gluten (a protein) do you see how it is incorrect to attribute a problem to an ingredient, when a different ingredient in the Wheat may be causing the problem? Maybe it's just semantics, but blaming gluten when it likely is something besides gluten seems wrong. Gluten is not a synonym for Wheat.
      - jamesrcole 10y ago
        > do you see how it is incorrect to attribute a problem to an ingredient, when a different ingredient in the Wheat may be causing the problem? You're talking about people with a real health problem. They discover that avoiding gluten seems to help. In practical terms, to avoid the health problem they need to communicate to others what is, as best as they can tell, they need to avoid. They can't magically click their fingers and know exactly what the problem is. It takes research like this to find out stuff like that. In the time being people have to get on with their lives. Now there's an opportunity for them to know better, an opportunity that didn't exist before. It's like you're expecting people to somehow have known in advance exactly what was going on.
        basch 10y ago
        >They discover that avoiding gluten no thats not what they discover, they discover foods that lack something, that sometimes correlates with foods lacking gluten ... how many people eat pure gluten, by itself, as a control. no they eat complex foods that have many molecules in them. I am saying, semantically, calling "wheat free" "gluten free" when its something else in the wheat, is to misidentify the problem.
        jamesrcole 10y ago
        > I am saying, semantically, calling "wheat free" "gluten free" when its something else in the wheat, is to misidentify the problem. I never claimed that gluten was the problem, or that it was somehow accurate to call gluten the problem if it wasn't gluten! I was responding to your claim that the issue was likely FODMAPs, and I gave two responses to that 1) the people you claim likely had improvements by inadvertently following a low FODMAP diet would likely have been consuming a high FODMAP diet 2) there was more recent research showing that there was an alternative explanation for the FODMAP one. Also, as far as I can tell, they don't know that it is something other than gluten. They don't know what it is. > no thats not what they discover, they discover foods that lack something, that sometimes correlates with foods lacking gluten ... What I said was correct. If they avoid gluten they get improvements. That does not mean that gluten was the problem.

by cgh 10y ago

tssva 10y ago

Exactly this. Most of the foods people with "gluten sensitivity" start to avoid also happen to be triggers for IBS which is most likely their real issue.

jamesrcole 10y ago

You claim it's likely FODMAPs. What's your evidence for that?

basch 10y ago
the guy who first brought up gluten sensitivity recanted and now cites FODMAPs as the likely cause. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23648697 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23648697 which happens to be the article your commenting on to begin with!, just for some reason a dupe from two years later. its in the first sentence of the abstract.
- jamesrcole 10y ago
  I have a friend who strictly follows a low FODMAP diet, so I'm fairly familiar with it. The thing is, if you are following a strict gluten-free diet it is very likely you are eating lots of high-FODMAP foods! (have a look at http://www.ibsdiets.org/fodmap-diet/fodmap-food-list/ http://www.ibsdiets.org/fodmap-diet/fodmap-food-list/ for example, if you want to check it out for yourself). So I don't see how "avoiding gluten" could be confused with FODMAP issues in most cases. Also, as I've posted in another comment, there's been more recent research, in a reputable journal, which has found a biological explanation of wheat sensitivity. See this article for a write-up: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/07/160726123632.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/07/160726123632.h...
  - basch 10y ago
    the article you posted is for Wheat, not Gluten (a protein) do you see how it is incorrect to attribute a problem to an ingredient, when a different ingredient in the Wheat may be causing the problem? Maybe it's just semantics, but blaming gluten when it likely is something besides gluten seems wrong. Gluten is not a synonym for Wheat.
    - jamesrcole 10y ago
      > do you see how it is incorrect to attribute a problem to an ingredient, when a different ingredient in the Wheat may be causing the problem? You're talking about people with a real health problem. They discover that avoiding gluten seems to help. In practical terms, to avoid the health problem they need to communicate to others what is, as best as they can tell, they need to avoid. They can't magically click their fingers and know exactly what the problem is. It takes research like this to find out stuff like that. In the time being people have to get on with their lives. Now there's an opportunity for them to know better, an opportunity that didn't exist before. It's like you're expecting people to somehow have known in advance exactly what was going on.
      - basch 10y ago
        >They discover that avoiding gluten no thats not what they discover, they discover foods that lack something, that sometimes correlates with foods lacking gluten ... how many people eat pure gluten, by itself, as a control. no they eat complex foods that have many molecules in them. I am saying, semantically, calling "wheat free" "gluten free" when its something else in the wheat, is to misidentify the problem.
        jamesrcole 10y ago
        > I am saying, semantically, calling "wheat free" "gluten free" when its something else in the wheat, is to misidentify the problem. I never claimed that gluten was the problem, or that it was somehow accurate to call gluten the problem if it wasn't gluten! I was responding to your claim that the issue was likely FODMAPs, and I gave two responses to that 1) the people you claim likely had improvements by inadvertently following a low FODMAP diet would likely have been consuming a high FODMAP diet 2) there was more recent research showing that there was an alternative explanation for the FODMAP one. Also, as far as I can tell, they don't know that it is something other than gluten. They don't know what it is. > no thats not what they discover, they discover foods that lack something, that sometimes correlates with foods lacking gluten ... What I said was correct. If they avoid gluten they get improvements. That does not mean that gluten was the problem.