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I've lived in New Zealand for 22 years and haven't been robbed once, so I don't think a sample size of 1 makes for valid statistics.

juskrey 10y ago
No experienced robberies does not mean there no robberies, but one experienced robbery means there are robberies.
- GavinMcG 10y ago
  Yes, in the most trivial possible sense a sample size of 1 can tell you something. But the fact that there are robberies was never in doubt. What value did you think your comment was offering?
jamesrcole 10y ago
I agree that one case isn't representative of what's happening in general, but it's a bit ironic that you counter their view with evidence also drawn from a single case (your own experience).
philliphaydon 10y ago
Born and raised Kiwi. Robbed in every home I lived in, in Auckland. Devonport, Takapuna, Glenfield.
- developer2 10y ago
  Are you being straight up honest? You've been robbed or burglarized at least four times in 22 years, living in four different residences, while living in four separate cities? The odds of that having happened are infinitesimally unlikely. Do you walk around your neighborhood, flaunting the fact you are a millionaire, while living in the poorest districts? Your situation cannot be representative of the norm; you sound like someone who is embellishing, flat out lying, or unnecessarily putting yourself in a position to become a victim. There's just no way your luck is "randomly" that bad. Edit: I've read your history. You clearly indulge with every comment. You have not been robbed 4 times in 22 years in New Zealand. Pathological liar, you should be ashamed. This is HackerNews, not Reddit - people are not going to give you 1,000 sympathetic upvotes for your invented sob story.
  - philliphaydon 10y ago
    It's like you think crime doesn't exist in New Zealand. Living in Devonport I used to see the local kids climb on the roof of the school and un-screw the light domes off the roof of the hallways and climb in. Or see them get their little brother to climb into the clothing donation bins and pull empty out all the clothes. Living in Glenfield we used to have washing stolen off the line all the time so we would dry clothes in-doors. Come home to the back door open with the glass smashed and items taken. People keep trying to paint NZ as this pretty picture when it's not. Believe what you want, but Auckland is full of crime. It's full of corruption. Edit: and in all those area's, my family wasn't the only victims. > Do you walk around your neighborhood, flaunting the fact you are a millionaire, while living in the poorest districts? Considering my parents moved out of Auckland because they could no longer afford to live there, there wasn't anything to flaunt. Nor were those 'poor' suburbs. ---- Also. Those are not cities, they are suburbs in a single city. Auckland.
    - developer2 10y ago
      >> It's like you think crime doesn't exist in New Zealand. No, I just find it extremely unlikely for a single family to have been targeted in four separate cities. I firmly believe that any burglar deserves life in jail for their first crime, and tend to try not to blame victims for being targeted, but... 4 times across 4 cities, averaging once every 5-6 years? That doesn't sound legit whatsoever, unless the family is doing something to paint a target on their backs. >> we used to have washing stolen off the line all the time so we would dry clothes in-doors I mean no disrespect - frankly it's better for the environment and I would normally applaud - but in this modern age using an outdoor clothesline is a sign of poverty, meaning you at least lived in a poor neighborhood where outdoor drying was common. I would bet that you displayed some indication to your poor neighbors that you were not as poor as them. Maybe you're hanging $30-per-pair of designer underwear on your line while they are hanging $1 budget underwear from Walmart on theirs. You probably own a middle-class brand new car, > $30k off the dealership's lot, compared to their < $500 third-hand vehicle that barely gets them from point A to point B. The moment a poor neighbor living off welfare knows you are even slightly beyond their means, you WILL become their target. You might have been hanging clothes outside (ie: "possibly poor"), but you've shown otherwise that you have more money than someone who must hang their laundry outdoors to make ends meet. There is a perceivable difference between hanging clothes outdoors as an optional luxury, vs. being forced into doing so by being at a financial disadvantage. Source: only been burglarized once and it was while I was earning an above-average income, while living in a poor neighborhood. I know it was my neighbor who couldn't even afford to have electricity hooked up, and they saw me leaving to work every morning with my laptop case. It's unfortunate and disgusting, but yes - if you live in a poor area with more money and possessions than your neighbors, they will notice and make a victim out of you. tldr; While you were living in a below-average income neighborhood, most likely working for a living while your neighbors lived on free welfare, you found them stealing from you? Forget your sense of basic entitlement and privacy for a moment; quite simply, am I right or wrong? Again, I'm not insulting you for your likely "above average" situation at the time. I'm merely trying to gauge against my own experience, which is that you will become a victim if you live amongst those who are poorer than you.
lemming 10y ago
I was born and grew up in NZ, I've lived here for over 30 years, and I've never been robbed either.
- hellofunk 10y ago
  I've never been to NZ but I was robbed once. Therefore, the evidence suggests you have greater likelihood of getting robbed if you've never been to NZ, since most who have been there have not been robbed.

juskrey 10y ago

No experienced robberies does not mean there no robberies, but one experienced robbery means there are robberies.

GavinMcG 10y ago
Yes, in the most trivial possible sense a sample size of 1 can tell you something. But the fact that there are robberies was never in doubt. What value did you think your comment was offering?

jamesrcole 10y ago

I agree that one case isn't representative of what's happening in general, but it's a bit ironic that you counter their view with evidence also drawn from a single case (your own experience).

philliphaydon 10y ago

Born and raised Kiwi. Robbed in every home I lived in, in Auckland. Devonport, Takapuna, Glenfield.

developer2 10y ago
Are you being straight up honest? You've been robbed or burglarized at least four times in 22 years, living in four different residences, while living in four separate cities? The odds of that having happened are infinitesimally unlikely. Do you walk around your neighborhood, flaunting the fact you are a millionaire, while living in the poorest districts? Your situation cannot be representative of the norm; you sound like someone who is embellishing, flat out lying, or unnecessarily putting yourself in a position to become a victim. There's just no way your luck is "randomly" that bad. Edit: I've read your history. You clearly indulge with every comment. You have not been robbed 4 times in 22 years in New Zealand. Pathological liar, you should be ashamed. This is HackerNews, not Reddit - people are not going to give you 1,000 sympathetic upvotes for your invented sob story.
- philliphaydon 10y ago
  It's like you think crime doesn't exist in New Zealand. Living in Devonport I used to see the local kids climb on the roof of the school and un-screw the light domes off the roof of the hallways and climb in. Or see them get their little brother to climb into the clothing donation bins and pull empty out all the clothes. Living in Glenfield we used to have washing stolen off the line all the time so we would dry clothes in-doors. Come home to the back door open with the glass smashed and items taken. People keep trying to paint NZ as this pretty picture when it's not. Believe what you want, but Auckland is full of crime. It's full of corruption. Edit: and in all those area's, my family wasn't the only victims. > Do you walk around your neighborhood, flaunting the fact you are a millionaire, while living in the poorest districts? Considering my parents moved out of Auckland because they could no longer afford to live there, there wasn't anything to flaunt. Nor were those 'poor' suburbs. ---- Also. Those are not cities, they are suburbs in a single city. Auckland.
  - developer2 10y ago
    >> It's like you think crime doesn't exist in New Zealand. No, I just find it extremely unlikely for a single family to have been targeted in four separate cities. I firmly believe that any burglar deserves life in jail for their first crime, and tend to try not to blame victims for being targeted, but... 4 times across 4 cities, averaging once every 5-6 years? That doesn't sound legit whatsoever, unless the family is doing something to paint a target on their backs. >> we used to have washing stolen off the line all the time so we would dry clothes in-doors I mean no disrespect - frankly it's better for the environment and I would normally applaud - but in this modern age using an outdoor clothesline is a sign of poverty, meaning you at least lived in a poor neighborhood where outdoor drying was common. I would bet that you displayed some indication to your poor neighbors that you were not as poor as them. Maybe you're hanging $30-per-pair of designer underwear on your line while they are hanging $1 budget underwear from Walmart on theirs. You probably own a middle-class brand new car, > $30k off the dealership's lot, compared to their < $500 third-hand vehicle that barely gets them from point A to point B. The moment a poor neighbor living off welfare knows you are even slightly beyond their means, you WILL become their target. You might have been hanging clothes outside (ie: "possibly poor"), but you've shown otherwise that you have more money than someone who must hang their laundry outdoors to make ends meet. There is a perceivable difference between hanging clothes outdoors as an optional luxury, vs. being forced into doing so by being at a financial disadvantage. Source: only been burglarized once and it was while I was earning an above-average income, while living in a poor neighborhood. I know it was my neighbor who couldn't even afford to have electricity hooked up, and they saw me leaving to work every morning with my laptop case. It's unfortunate and disgusting, but yes - if you live in a poor area with more money and possessions than your neighbors, they will notice and make a victim out of you. tldr; While you were living in a below-average income neighborhood, most likely working for a living while your neighbors lived on free welfare, you found them stealing from you? Forget your sense of basic entitlement and privacy for a moment; quite simply, am I right or wrong? Again, I'm not insulting you for your likely "above average" situation at the time. I'm merely trying to gauge against my own experience, which is that you will become a victim if you live amongst those who are poorer than you.

lemming 10y ago

I was born and grew up in NZ, I've lived here for over 30 years, and I've never been robbed either.

hellofunk 10y ago
I've never been to NZ but I was robbed once. Therefore, the evidence suggests you have greater likelihood of getting robbed if you've never been to NZ, since most who have been there have not been robbed.