I'm not sure what you both are on about regarding entropy and cycles, but my point was that raw materials can be used in different ways, productively (convertin

I'm not sure what you both are on about regarding entropy and cycles, but my point was that raw materials can be used in different ways, productively (converting those raw materials/labor to a more useful form) and wastefully (converting those raw materials/labor to a form that has no "durable value", even if some people make "money"/"wealth").